I did. Recently took my 1917 Commercial, 1917 Brazilian, and Model of 1950 44 Special to the range - along with a couple of other oldies but goodies.
Range Day with your early N frames
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One of my favorite pre-war N frames. Factory nickel 38/44 with Pointer grips. This was the first 38/44 I ever purchased thanks to 1Aspenhill.
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Absolutely mine go to the range! One of my favorites is a military Model of 1917 (made in 1918) that I shoot alongside my Model 25-2. I also shoot my re-nickeled .44 HE 3rd Model (Model of 1926, W&K; shipped in early 1927). I wish I could talk about shooting my TL or RM, but I haven't been able to add them to my collection...yet!
Absolutely mine go to the range! One of my favorites is a military Model of 1917 (made in 1918) that I shoot alongside my Model 25-2. I also shoot my re-nickeled .44 HE 3rd Model (Model of 1926, W&K; shipped in early 1927). I wish I could talk about shooting my TL or RM, but I haven't been able to add them to my collection...yet!
My only early N frames are a 1937 made commercial 1917 and an ex BSR converted to .22lr. I have shot with them in the past. Not this year though thanks to the "virus" thing.
The shooting range has already reopened but you have to make an "appointment" first, and you are limited to a one and a half hour range time. Besides the the range is located in the area(great Lisbon) where the new virus cases have been high since we "beginned opening up" I can wait a little longer.
I enrolled myself in a competition(it's with 9mm semi auto) scheduled for the 25th. But it is rumored it will be cancelled.
Final note. Every gun I own has seen or will see range time. Some more than others.
The shooting range has already reopened but you have to make an "appointment" first, and you are limited to a one and a half hour range time. Besides the the range is located in the area(great Lisbon) where the new virus cases have been high since we "beginned opening up" I can wait a little longer.I enrolled myself in a competition(it's with 9mm semi auto) scheduled for the 25th. But it is rumored it will be cancelled.
Final note. Every gun I own has seen or will see range time. Some more than others.
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One of my favorite pre-war N frames. Factory nickel 38/44 with Pointer grips. This was the first 38/44 I ever purchased thanks to 1Aspenhill.
Tell me about those Pointer grips. Do they help correct point of impact due to the fixed sights?
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My only early N frames are a 1937 made commercial 1917 and an ex BSR converted to .22lr. I have shot with them in the past. Not this year though thanks to the "virus" thing.
I enrolled myself in a competition(it's with 9mm semi auto) scheduled for the 25th. But it is rumored it will be cancelled.
Final note. Every gun I own has seen or will see range time. Some more than others.
Hi Mario,
Since you are very proficient in precision pistol events, yet also shoot cap & ball, how do you find the 1917 fits in to your shooting style?
Jim
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How do you feel about the difference between the 1917 and the 25-2... i.e: weight, balance, sights, target trigger vs service trigger?
Jim
To tell you the truth. I can shoot well anything that goes bang.
No false modesty here.
That I can answer. The 25-2 feels noticeable heavier(still didn't get to shoot mine, but I have dry fired it). That said, it will most likely absorb recoil better.
Edit. I just love the weight and balance of the 1917. It just "feels right" in the hand.
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Had a 44 2nd Target out just the other day.
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Bruce
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Bruce
Shooting My Old N Frames
The biggest hassel I have is which ones do I shoot today. Like most of the guys here ,"If I own it, I shoot it" or I fix it to shoot. I love the old pre-war N frames and their smooth actions, everything in my safe from MKII .455, 44Spl Triple Locks, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd models are all shot on a regular basis. I reload for all models and calibers. And now that Starline makes brass for the .455 Webley S&W I reload them with the conical cast bullets (hollow base). Here is a photo of my last acquired Triple Lock on her first range trip after extensive rebuild.
The biggest hassel I have is which ones do I shoot today. Like most of the guys here ,"If I own it, I shoot it" or I fix it to shoot. I love the old pre-war N frames and their smooth actions, everything in my safe from MKII .455, 44Spl Triple Locks, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd models are all shot on a regular basis. I reload for all models and calibers. And now that Starline makes brass for the .455 Webley S&W I reload them with the conical cast bullets (hollow base). Here is a photo of my last acquired Triple Lock on her first range trip after extensive rebuild.
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Back in BC (Before Covid) days, a few of us shot an informal class at our cowboy action range we called "Sgt. York". "Any" revolver was staged loaded with 5 rounds with three reloads of 5 rounds each required "on the clock". We generally follow the shot sequence (such as "sweep 5 pistol targets twice", or "double-tap five rifle targets, etc.) called for in the stage description, but in honor of Sgt. York's fabled tactic of first engaging those in the rear so those leading the charge wouldn't notice the number of their colleagues that just went one-eyed, we always engage the rifle targets first.
For several years now, my favorite revolver to use in this game is one of my Brazilian .45s with the square-notch rear sight. I have competed with a Colt military issue 1917 but found the Colt frame a bit large for double-action work.....Modern DA revolvers, Victory models, 1917s, and many others have showed up from time to time., but "Sgt. York" class has provided happy times and the chance to compete with old double action S&Ws for many of us.
For several years now, my favorite revolver to use in this game is one of my Brazilian .45s with the square-notch rear sight. I have competed with a Colt military issue 1917 but found the Colt frame a bit large for double-action work.....Modern DA revolvers, Victory models, 1917s, and many others have showed up from time to time., but "Sgt. York" class has provided happy times and the chance to compete with old double action S&Ws for many of us.
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“Pointer” was just the trade name for these prewar plastic grips made by the W. Murad Co. in California. They came in Ivory, Black and Brown all with the distinctive floral pattern. This pair has had the inner mold voids filled with lead. It gives them a weight similar to real ivory. They were on this gun when I got it from 1Aspenhill and were there when he originally got it. The gun and grips have been together so long I can’t bear to separate them.
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Although not personally asked about the difference between the lighter 1917 and the Model 25 I would allow that if I needed to shoot the best I could with a .45 ACP revolver I would get out my Model of 1955 Pre-25. If I'm going to carry it and maybe get it out and shoot for the fun of it the cut-down 1917's fit the bill. As a late bloomer to the fun of shooting .45 ACP revolvers I have to say few target guns are as much fun to shoot, the recoil in a heavy revolver is practically nothing. I've always been a big fan of .44s and consider the 2nd Model H.E. my favorite, the 24-3 fits the bill for carry but I think the big .45s are more fun to shoot cheaply. I hope I didn't step on this thread...
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45 AR Balloon Head
Hi Kinman,
Sorry. The question didn't occur to me until Kurusu's post later on.
Thanks for elaborating on the various 45s, and for the 44 vs 45 in N frame consideration. Yes, both 44 Special and 45 ACP/AR offer much enjoyment. I got a pile of vintage 45 AR brass that needs to get in on some action.
You don't see balloon head 45 Auto Rim every day (especially in nickel)!
Jim
Hi Kinman,
Sorry. The question didn't occur to me until Kurusu's post later on.
Thanks for elaborating on the various 45s, and for the 44 vs 45 in N frame consideration. Yes, both 44 Special and 45 ACP/AR offer much enjoyment. I got a pile of vintage 45 AR brass that needs to get in on some action.
You don't see balloon head 45 Auto Rim every day (especially in nickel)!
Jim
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My old 2nd model Hand Ejector in 455 may be gone, but I still have a few cartridges in my collection. Maybe time to re-scratch that itch!
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The old boys I shoot with claim the only way you can get a full load of black powder in the case is to use the old balloon head cases. I don't see a problem using the balloon head case as long as your using black but have heard you can run into problems with smokeless, I guess if Elmer was still around he could testify as such. Those cases are pretty cool anyway. I shoot BPC in 45-70 and 45-90 and was wondering how they got 70 grns in the case, one of the old boys said that they were balloon head cases. Winchester cases are the thinnest, allowing the most powder but I still struggle to get 70 grns in. Swiss formula works a bit better, I am using that in the 45-90 and have plenty of room for more powder although am finding it unnecessary, 75 grns seems to give me excellent accuracy with room to spare, that is 1-1/2F.
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