My history with the 4563TSW

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I have had light weight S&W 3rd gen 45s for a few decades now. I recall being handed an early 4506 and thinking, wouldn't this be perfect for carrying all day if it had an aluminum frame. Many years later, I learned that someone else thought the same thing and there were a handful of 4503s made. Some even escaped the factory and are in private hands today.

Many agencies loved the 4566TSW. But some folks complained about the weight. S&W was reluctant, back in the day, to even make a 45 handgun. Much less one with an aluminum frame. But gunrag writers - this was back when people still purchased and read them - were pushing S&W to produce an aluminum framed 45. The majority wanting a compact "carry" 45 pistol.

S&W was quietly working on the prototypes of what would become the model 457 during this period. IIRC it was the mid 90s. The Performance Center, formed in 90/91, was also working on what became the Shorty 45.

But the large LE market, while wanting a compact, light weight 45, also wanted a service size/full size 45 lighter than a 4566. In 1997 they got the compact 457. But it was not till around 2000 - 2001 that the 4563TSW made its debut. Basically a 4566 with an aluminum frame, it made carrying a full size 45 pistol easier on officers dealing with an increasing number of items on their duty belts and the subsequent weight increase.

I was working plainclothes coat and tie investigations at the time. We had gone to semi auto pistols around 2003 IIRC. I carried a 4506-1 and a 4516 off duty. I also was issued a 4566. An aluminum framed version of the 4566 held some appeal, but alas, on my salary, I could not afford a new one. And that stupid tack on rail was a turn off too. We carried our lights. Back then we didn't hang anything on the pistol.

Around 2007/2008 I got a call from my gunsmith. He knew I liked and purchased S&W 3rd gen guns and was carrying same. He told me he had taken in a few surplus 4563TSWs. Did I want one? I told him yes, but I didn't want to deal with the rail and I needed a spurless hammer as I had been saving money on sport coats and suit coat liners by carrying 4566s and 4516s with spurless hammers. Iliked them. A lot!

My gunsmith was a talented fellow and good salesman. He replied, no problem! I will make you one just like that. And he did. He dropped the rail and filled the holes in the dustcover with plastic rivets. He found a spurless MIM hammer too and installed it. It was the "perfect" carry 45, for me.

Around the same time I aquired a one of one prototype 4563, 45CQB from the Performance Center. I was really enjoying the lighter weight full size guns. But shortly afterwards, I aquired my first 4513TSW. And going through a divorce at the time, needed funds more than guns. So, sadly and inexplicably, I let the "custom" 4563TSW go. I have regretted it ever since. And for years I posted on local gunboards in the WTB section. Hoping whoever bought my 4563TSW would sell it back to me. But no joy to date.

So, I was extremely pleased when my friend vigil617 pointed me to a rail free 4563TSW on the big auction board. Like the LE Special order 7-round 4513TSW my friend Martya hooked me up with several years back, this is one made with no holes in the dustcover. Alls it will need is a spurless hammer and some new springs to become my new carry gun.

According to the USPS Tracking data, she should be here at my FFL sometime today. Hopefully I will pick it up this afternoon. If not, then Monday. I will tear it down for a good cleaning and lube. Then test fire it early next week. Range report and pics to follow. Regards 18DAI
 
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A great read, sir! It's fascinating to learn the Third Gen 45ACP history as you experienced it over the last couple of decades, and from an LEO viewpoint. Your description makes the evolution of these models gel for me and increases my appreciation for these guns that so many of us on this board use, shoot, and collect in all the iterations. I for one cannot wait to see your photos and read your range report!
 
Congratulations on finally acquiring your "grail gun"!! Indeed there are some amazing/helpful/informative people in this forum! Looking forward to hearing your range report!

Cheers!
David
 
4T5GUY Thanks for the kind and generous offer! :) Much appreciated! But the day I won it, I placed a WTB ad and have a spurless MIM hammer inbound. It has a MIM trigger, so I need a MIM hammer to make it drop in.

I am contemplating doing it myself, so I wanted it as simple as possible. But thank you!

Thanks all! It is still "in transit". So, looking like Monday before I get my hands on it. Regards 18DAI
 
4T5GUY Thanks for the kind and generous offer! :) Much appreciated! But the day I won it, I placed a WTB ad and have a spurless MIM hammer inbound. It has a MIM trigger, so I need a MIM hammer to make it drop in.

I am contemplating doing it myself, so I wanted it as simple as possible. But thank you!

Thanks all! It is still "in transit". So, looking like Monday before I get my hands on it. Regards 18DAI

Careful when cleaning / modifying, many of those parts interchange with your 4513TSW. ;)

Was the 4563TSW using a spurred hammer? MIM?
 
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Martya, yes, the 4563TSW ws produced from 2000 to 2006. With evidence that there were some LE orders (50 guns or more) later than 2006.

All of them were produced with MIM hammers and triggers. And my understanding is that if you go to forged parts, you need to change the trigger as well as the hammer to get the best, smoothest pull. Also, going with a forged set requires some gunsmithing. Filing of the hammer hooks ect.

I can't recall if it was Fastbolt or Vito at the Performance Center who told me that. Anyways, they also told me that - for my minimal skill level, a MIM hammer installation was easier to accomplish. Just use the strut in the 4563TSW and the MIM hammer I have inbound.

I am in no hurry though. I will be testing and Shooting the 4563TSW, as is, at first. I am instructing and working at the local public range. Carrying a full size 45 when doing so. I wanted a full size - but lighter gun to carry as some shifts are 10 hours when working. After around 6 to 8 hours, the 4566 starts to drag your drawers down. ;)

I currently have no need of a concealeable gun at either job. We don't conceal our guns at the range. And as a Magistrate I am armed by statute and with all the stupidity currently going on, I don't care who sees the pistol. ;) Regards 18DAI
 
vigil617 there were either four or six 4503s made. I can't recall exactly and of course I can't find my notes, because I need them. ;)

I was informed of their existance several years ago, by a person who was a retired employee and owned one. He said there was at least one other example in private hands. I believe it is owned by a collector here.

Essentially a 4506-1 with an aluminum frame. The computer system at the time did not have the nomenclature, so the sale, to him, was recorded as a "4506". Other than begging him to sell or trade it to me, thats about all I know about those Unicorns.

Perhaps one of the SWCA folks will descend from Mount Springfield and share the rest of the story on the 4503 with the great unwashed here. ;) But don't hold your breath. :) Regards 18DAI

PS : The same fellow also owned and told me about a handful of Melonited 4506-1s. Made up as LE sales samples. He also owned one of those. Which I also begged him to sell or trade me! :)

EDITED TO ADD: I wish SmithNut, Grinder and KurtC were still here. What those gents knew about rare and one off S&Ws most of us will never know. They are missed!
 
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Interesting! Glad I didn't see it. I would probably be working through a 2nd divorce. ;)

Linked thread says ten made with two out in circulation. So there you go. $3K too for the sold example. Anyone here buy it? I would love to see some pics of it. Regards 18DAI
 
Wow. Don't know how I missed that 4503 thread or the GB auction. Thanks for sharing, jsbethel.

Three grand for that unicorn! :eek:

It would be fascinating to know why S&W decided not to proceed with production. I'm sure it came down to "wouldn't have been profitable," but the what-if of that model joins that of other guns that never made it into production.

Would be great to know how many of these were produced. You don't see them that often, even in the railed version, and it's interesting there were so many more of the 4566TSWs even though it was a heavier gun.

EDITED TO ADD: Interesting, too that the Performance Center produced so many more of the 4563 CQB pistols in two varieties (total of 314) compared to the 4566 ones (91, plus around another 20 or so special order ones), back in 2000/2001.
 
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I may have saved pictures of the communication that was posted in that auction. I'll have to dig. I do recall that (at the time!) they did not have the geometry figured out and they had frame failures, obviously if they had tried again later with the experience they had gained, a 4503 most certainly could have been produced that was safe, durable and viable.

If you think about it, there are arguments to be made against the idea. Much like the 3906 got killed off quickly (why full steel and full size but only single stack in a generation of hi-caps?!), similar would be the argument against an alloy frame full size .45, when an alloy frame 4566 seemed to make more sense.

They are silly arguments when you consider that S&W made sooooo many variations that even company representatives couldn't keep track of all of them, but that was the likely argument, sigh.

18DAI, I always love it when you dig out your memories and hands-on duty experience, it brings a REAL angle to all of these guns that I have never had and never will have. Quite often it feels like we are getting whisked back a few years when these guns were still in production and in active duty. Great stuff as always! :D
 
Thank you Sevens for the kind words! Much appreciated. Hardly a day goes by that a thread here doesn't trigger a walk down memory lane, for me. My pleasure to share some of them here.

Hard to believe it has been so many years since these guns we buy, use and talk about were mainstream and in daily use by LE Agencies.

I am still using them daily. For serious purpose as well as tools for teaching new shooters. Great pistols that production ended on much too soon. IMO of course. ;) Regards 18DAI
 
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