Handguns: How small is too small and how light is too light?

Revolver Guy that I am,
The 357 J Frames are a little frisky loaded with 357s.
I usually load them with 38 +P.
Back to the autos - I can usually keep them under control if I have enough to hold on to.
I'm mostly talking 9 mil here.
On up to the 40s, 45s, etc I want a bigger heavier gun.
 
I live in a small Iowa city, about 1,400 population & crime isn't a problem. If I go to the post office or Caseys to pick up a pizza I stick a Bauer 25ACP in my pocket. I can hit center mass with it out to about 7 yards which is all I need. If I go to the "big city" about 10 miles away I carry a 45 ACP
 
They haven't made these for 100 years, but if S&W came out with a new one, I'd get it for CC. Sometimes small is practical.

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No such thing is too small or too light. Size and weight are entirely an individual's prerogative, mission and their ability to use it proficiently.
 
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It is too small when I can't get a good combat grip on the gun out of the holster and keep that grip while shooting. It weighs too little when recoil becomes uncomfortable for me.
 
It's all about how one prioritizes the compromises for handgun carry.

Concealment
Comfort
Effective gun
Effective caliber
Speed of presentation/one handed draw

Now, if you look at the order I put those, and prioritize for those conditions, a mouse gun fits the bill. If you reverse the order then a regular sized handgun is a better fit.

For me concealment is last. Concealed means 'obscured from view' not undetectable. If the muzzle is exposed when I reach for something on the top shelf, no laws have been broken and I'm not idiotic enough to seriously believe some thug will be there at that precise moment, looking in that exact direction, and decide to attack.

People prioritize concealment first for a host of reasons; shame, fear, peer pressure, lack of understanding of the law, etc. Once you figure out what's really important and why you're really carrying a deadly weapon, things become more clear. I hope I never need to use it, but if I ever do I want the best tool for the job, not some marginal compromise that sucks away all my confidence.
 
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Well my thoughts and preferences are mine and mine alone and sharing them will not change anyone's mind so I shall leave them unsaid-I will say this, experience in my profession indicates that if you shoot someone at more than bad breath distance you better lawyer up and be prepared to spend some money and have your life upended and that is for a good outcome.
 
I agree with the short range deal unless the other guy happens to have a rifle, then your pretty much screwed in the range department no matte what hand gun your packing. I have a selection of alloy big bores and though they took some getting used to I am now comfortable with them at 10 yds or a bit more. I recently picked up a alloy J frame 32 H&R and II think it will be a good pocket gun.
 
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No such thing is too small or too light. Size and weight are entirely an individual's prerogative, mission and their ability to use it proficiently.

Obviously I was asking the question on an individual level, expecting individual responses.

The question wasn't, "How small is OBJECTIVELY too small" but rather what is too small for YOU?
 
Two days ago I made a one day trip to Illinois and back. I spent eighteen hours in a car and I carried this:
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This is probably a good indicator of where small and light guns fit in my lexicon.

I have nothing against small and light guns, or those who use them, they just don't work well for me. I have large hands and long fingers and small guns are not a good interface. With revolvers, I'll shortly wind up with a bleeding index finger that's been pinched between the frame and trigger. If a grip is used that's large enough to really control the weapon, it negates the utility of a small gun. I think S&W J frames are dandy weapons, as are Colt D frames. They just don't work for me.

With semi-autos I'll wind up with the web of my shooting hand cut and/or abraded pretty quickly. When drawing from a holster, I have great difficulty establishing a good master grip, so accuracy suffers. My issued sidearm at my current job is a Glock 23, which I hate with a passion. The grip is simply too small and I often find myself inadvertently engaging the slide stop if I'm not very aware of my hand position. We're supposed to be replacing them with G19s, something that can't happen soon enough in my opinion.

This served as my back up gun for nearly 25 years. In that context it served well, but as a primary carried IWB? Forget it, for the aforementioned reasons.
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A previous comment was made regarding danger assessment. The poster has obviously drawn the completely illogical and dangerous conclusion that nothing beyond contact distance will pose a danger to you. Many of the victims of active shooters were killed beyond contact distance. Ask any of the kids running for their lives down the school commons area at Columbine if they felt in danger. Ask any of the patrons of the movie theatre in Aurora, Colorado if they felt safe because they were beyond contact distance.

In evaluating carry guns I use what I call the Food Court Standard. From the holster, I have to be able to consistently draw and execute a head shot at twenty five to thirty yards, the average distance across a mall food court. If it can't do that it doesn't get carried. In that scenario I envision an active shooter armed with a rifle suddenly appearing across the food court, while I sit waiting for my wife and enjoying my Orange Julius. My best chance for overcoming that scenario is a single quick headshot, before I draw the shooters attention. If I can't get that done, I've just brought a handgun to a rifle fight. The chances of that actually happening are slim to none you say? Probably, but it's the stakes not the chances sports fans.

All of that aside, the reality is that size and weight are primary factors in handgun selection. Most people want something that doesn't interfere in any way with their lifestyle and convenience.(the fact that you're participating in this discussion means you automatically have more interest than most of the general public) Most of them will never shoot their choice of weapon outside of a CCW permit class, so size and weight are all that matters.
 
329pd - too light

I think a lot of the frame cracking issues are due to the obsession to go light. This is, of course, conjecture on my part but clearly the cracking issues with the newer (lighter) guns is an issue.

I'd rather have a heavier steel frame gun that is less susceptible to cracking vs a space age material light gun who's recoil is so bad and frame cracking an issue that I don't want to shoot/practice with it.

Been there and done that. One titanium cylinder and alloy frame revolver, I kept it one week. Just too nasty to shoot. For me a steel framed J frame is about as small and light as i want to get.
 
Two days ago I made a one day trip to Illinois and back. I spent eighteen hours in a car and I carried this:
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I only recently started carrying my steel 5" 1911, IWB, and I have to say I was rather surprised at how easily it carries. I've worn it for 10+ hours, sometimes spending a few hours at a time driving, walking around, running errands, etc. The only difficulty is printing when bending over, because of the grip length, but that can be minimized with patterned shirts that help break up the outline.

But I still have my 642 when I want something lighter and/or more discreet, as well as my Beretta PX4 Compact.

Now I just need to get some carry gear for my Beretta 92FS.

And I still want a pocket .380 for times when I want to go "secret squirrel."
 
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I only recently started carrying my steel 5" 1911, IWB, and I have to say I was rather surprised at how easily it carries. I've worn it for 10+ hours, sometimes spending a few hours at a time driving, walking around, running errands, etc. The only difficulty is printing when bending over, because of the grip length, but that can be minimized with patterned shirts that help break up the outline.

But I still have my 642 when I want something lighter and/or more discreet, as well as my Beretta PX4 Compact.

Now I just need to get some carry gear for my Beretta 92FS.

And I still want a pocket .380 for times when I want to go "secret squirrel."

I've carried a 1911 almost daily for the better part of thirty years. The flatness of the design really aids in concealability. The same can be said for the 4506, which I usually carry if it isn't a 1911. I've gone to the factory grip with the curved backstrap. It's thinner and rounder than a standard 1911 and actually prints even less.

If I want to feel secret and sexy, I can pull out my Walther PP in .32acp. "Brick through a plate glass window" and all that. :)
 
A previous comment was made regarding danger assessment. The poster has obviously drawn the completely illogical and dangerous conclusion that nothing beyond contact distance will pose a danger to you.

I have made the completely logical conclusion that I am not going to prepare for any possible occurrence.

Hence, my Food Court Standard is that if an active shooter armed with a rifle show ups, I run to the nearest exit.

Attempting to execute a head shot at twenty five to thirty yards would be insanity.

I have double ought zero reason to train for such. Nor to carry enough gun to do it.

The chances of that actually happening are slim to none you say? Probably, but it's the stakes not the chances sports fans.

So, probably, it's not an illogical and dangerous conclusion all.

I have taken no precautions for the chances of a meteor striking my house, even though the stakes are huge.
 
I have the LCP and 340PD, both are reliable & accurate at combat distances. That's as small & light as I can handle and still defend myself.
 
I have made the completely logical conclusion that I am not going to prepare for any possible occurrence.

Hence, my Food Court Standard is that if an active shooter armed with a rifle show ups, I run to the nearest exit.

Attempting to execute a head shot at twenty five to thirty yards would be insanity.

I have double ought zero reason to train for such. Nor to carry enough gun to do it.



So, probably, it's not an illogical and dangerous conclusion all.

I have taken no precautions for the chances of a meteor striking my house, even though the stakes are huge.
Agree with you 100% on this. Question however. Given the choice between running and cowering under the table counting the dried up pieces of gum stuck on the underside do you take or leave the Orange Julius.
Me, I'm in the "hide under the table" school and will wait until he closes distance before opening up-unless i am REAL close to a door. A headshot at an active shooter from 25 yards while pooping my pants is something that I do not train for. I will leave that to Gecko45
 
Agree with you 100% on this. Question however. Given the choice between running and cowering under the table counting the dried up pieces of gum stuck on the underside do you take or leave the Orange Julius.
Me, I'm in the "hide under the table" school and will wait until he closes distance before opening up-unless i am REAL close to a door. A headshot at an active shooter from 25 yards while pooping my pants is something that I do not train for. I will leave that to Gecko45

Whether I actually run for the door, or hide under the table, or go to the Chick-fil-A counter for some more waffle fries will be decided at the time, depending on actual circumstances.

I think what we have here is projection. Trooper224 has "trooper" in his name. His post shows an LE badge. He, then, as a law enforcement officer, might actually be forced by circumstances to take such a shot. I wish him well if he has to. But it is beyond the pale for citizen carriers like us.

IOW, I am NOT going to train to be a police sniper or gunny. His training requirement - his mission - is different from mine. That's why I mentioned military and police in post #25.
 
I have made the completely logical conclusion that I am not going to prepare for any possible occurrence.

Hence, my Food Court Standard is that if an active shooter armed with a rifle show ups, I run to the nearest exit.

Attempting to execute a head shot at twenty five to thirty yards would be insanity.

I have double ought zero reason to train for such. Nor to carry enough gun to do it.



So, probably, it's not an illogical and dangerous conclusion all.

I have taken no precautions for the chances of a meteor striking my house, even though the stakes are huge.

That's a nice world of circular logic you're living in, on planet false equivalency. But hey, you do you bro.
 

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