time to up EDC?

[kmyers]

I typically carry either a M&P .40 FS or a FNH FNS 40, Better Half carries either a Walther PPQ in 9mm or a H&K VP9.

 

[Echo40]

I'll never understand folks who go through the trouble to get a Carry Permit yet don't bother with everyday carry.

Seriously, they make guns so absurdly small and lightweight these days that there's no valid reason not to carry all the time.

My Ruger LCP rides in my pocket practically everywhere I go because it's just so small/lightweight that it actually requires more effort to leave it behind. It may not be big, powerful, or hold over a dozen rounds, but it can save your life when you decided to leave your Wonder 9 at home with your multiple girlfriends because you were just going to pickup something from the store.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

You don't shoot unless you have a clear shot at your target. Period.

Nuf sed on that subject.

Insofar as artillery is concerned, I was a gun bunny a long time ago in a galaxy far away, and you bet you can land projectiles 20 miles away using an 8 inch self propelled howitzer. A 105mm can't reach out that far but it can definitely "see your house from here".

I'll never understand folks who go through the trouble to get a Carry Permit yet don't bother with everyday carry.

Besides doing it every day for nearly 40 years, which precedes legal concealed carry by about two decades, I agree, if you cared enough to get a license/permit, why are you not carrying a gun every doggone day? In a permitless carry jurisidiction, which Texas might be headed to, if you're a gun person with an interest in self defense it's no different - how do you not carry every day?

A casual night out at a friend's home? M649 still goes with me. Same for a quick trip to the grocery store. Anything else and a compact 9mm with several more rounds comes along. It jus' beez dat weigh.......

 

[Ziggy2525]

I'll never understand folks who go through the trouble to get a Carry Permit yet don't bother with everyday carry.
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In my state, last I saw, only about 15% of the people with a permit actually carry and it makes total sense. Most of the larger cities have ownership registration requirements. Registration doesn't cross city boundaries. Cities have deeper than NICS background checks with "may issue" ownership (not carry) permits that don't cross city boundries.

Our state carry permit preempts all that crazy nonsense and applies a single set of consistent rules across the state. It preempts city registration requirements. It preempts city "may issue" ownership permits.

People with no desire to carry got permits to make ownership easier.

 

[Donn]

Nice weather we're having.

 

[fatcat3]

I really don't see the point in carrying a higher capacity pistol or extra magazines on the off chance that you should encounter an adversary who is carrying a rifle. You'll be at a disadvantage regardless, and it's not like him carrying more rounds makes him take more rounds to incapacitate.

If carrying more rounds makes you feel more confident, then by all means do so, but please, don't go getting any crazy ideas about laying down suppressive fire or any of that other armchair commando nonsense. All you'll succeed in accomplishing through use of suppressive fire is causing even more damage, wasting precious ammunition, and incriminating yourself in the process.
Armchair commandos who spend all their time role-playing as soldiers on the internet spouting all manner of military jargon/urban slang or insipid attention-seeking trolls who intentionally make absurd statements to provoke responses may say otherwise, but you are responsible for every bullet that leaves the barrel of your gun and you will be held accountable for any collateral damage caused by your shots, regardless of whether it was a legally justified self-defense shooting or not. Don't throw your life away by taking the advise of bloodthirsty psychopaths or perpetual children playing games online.

You don't shoot unless you have a clear shot at your target. Period.

AMEN!!!! Thumbs up.
Yes I have thought about "upgrading" my Derringer, but I have been in a lot of shadier and more violent places than I am now, so thinking is about as far as it gets. Maybe one of those mini revolvers in 22mag

 

[NCBeagle]

I too, carry a P365. In the face of that kind of firepower I'm beating feet out of there ASAP.

I usually carry a J Frame or Colt D Frame. Occasionally a Sig P365 or Smith 3953.

I do not want to like the Sig P365 so much. It's not a revolver. It's not blued. But, it's a well built, slim, reliable, 13 rounds of 9mm (with 12 rd mag) that carries AIWB under a T-shirt. I would feel much better if Sig made a high-polish blue or nickel P365. Almost makes me feel like I am cheating on my Smiths.

Incidentally, the PHLster "Skeleton" is a great AIWB hoslter for the Sig P365.

 

[ladder13]

I usually carry a J Frame or Colt D Frame. Occasionally a Sig P365 or Smith 3953.

I do not want to like the Sig P365 so much. It's not a revolver. It's not blued. But, it's a well built, slim, reliable, 13 rounds of 9mm (with 12 rd mag) that carries AIWB under a T-shirt. I would feel much better if Sig made a high-polish blue or nickel P365. Almost makes me feel like I am cheating on my Smiths.

Incidentally, the PHLster "Skeleton" is a great AIWB hoslter for the Sig P365.

I've relegated all my snubs and 39xx's to the safe. If I'm going somewhere the P365 goes with me. Same size or smaller than any of the others with more rounds, same reliability and accuracy. Little gun that thinks it's a big gun.
A no brainer to me. Nostalgia takes a back seat.
As always YMMV.

I may even pick up another @449 @ Lawmens.

 

[Echo40]

AMEN!!!! Thumbs up.
Yes I have thought about "upgrading" my Derringer, but I have been in a lot of shadier and more violent places than I am now, so thinking is about as far as it gets. Maybe one of those mini revolvers in 22mag

They still make Derringers for a reason, because they're easy to carry, come chambered in a wide variety of cartridges from .22 Short to .44 Magnum, and nobody wants to get shot my anything. Period.

I was actually considering getting a North American Arms Sidewinder in .22WMR myself once, but ultimately went with the Ruger LCP because it was cheaper and obviously fit my hands better.

That being said, I can see wanting to upgrade from a 2-Shot Derringer, simply because the capacity is so low, and statistically they say gunfights are decided in 3 rounds. If you should decide to upgrade, then I would recommend looking into something along the lines of a .380 ACP Pocket Pistol or a .38 Special lightweight Snubby, that way you'll still have something small to carry, but with better sights and higher capacity.

Otherwise, just keep right on doing what you're doing, clearly it has worked for you so far, and folks seldom have to do more than draw a gun, much less fire a shot in order to convince an attacker that they have better places to be.

 

[quikdraw67]

To each his own. Some like chocolate, others like vanilla.

I'm perfectly fine with having a J frame as my EDC. In fact I'll be changing from a 640-1 to a 442 in the near future. A little bit smaller and a lot lighter.

Why? I simply shoot better with a wheelgun than a semi. I may only have 5 shots, but good chance they're going to be on target.

JMHO YMMV.

 

[BSA1]

I really don't see the point in carrying a higher capacity pistol or extra magazines on the off chance that you should encounter an adversary who is carrying a rifle.

If carrying more rounds makes you feel more confident, then by all means do so, but please, don't go getting any crazy ideas about laying down suppressive fire or any of that other armchair commando nonsense.

You don't shoot unless you have a clear shot at your target. Period.

There have been several shooting incidents where the ability to cause the attacker to keep his head down and not shoot could gained enough time for potential victims to escape unharmed.

The best example that come to mind is the Pulse nightclub shooting. It took police around 45 minutes before they entered the club. I wonder how many wounded peope bled to death during that time period?

There are numerous incidents such as workplace shootings where the shooter chose to commit suicide when confronted with armed resistance.

If a shooter is cornered or in a area where there are no innocent people suppressive fire might give additional seconds or minutes for other people to escape. It also gives time for more help such as the police to arrive.

A clear shot isn't always needed to take out a shooter. It ignores the possibility of bullet(s) penetration of concealment a shooter may be using. YOU may not have training, proper handgun and knowledge of bullet penetration to shoot through the concealment or cover a shooter may be using.

I think you summarize it best when you write "YOU don't shoot unless YOU have a clear shot at your target." Don't attach YOUR lack of training or knowledge to MY training, firearm, ammunition and knowledge.

 

[sipowicz]

If it's good enough for these guys, it's good enough for me.

 

[sousana]

When I leave the house it's with the following:

1. PC is IWB or Galco Miami Shoulder Kimber Raptor or Colt Combat Elite
2. BUG in an ankle or *** is Kimber Ultra Raptor or Colt Officers

The Primary gun will always have an 8rd magazine with one loaded total of 9 rounds available while the BUG will have 7.

I always carry a min of 4 8rd mags.

I've tried in the past to carry something other than the 1911 platform, but after using this platform for 50+ years, it's too ingrained. I tried Glock once but I found I kept trying to disengage frame mounted safety after drawing and getting on target.

Training and shot placement are both still key in surviving an incident like this. That said, with these people using body armor more often, I'd say focus on training, shot placement and stress training shot placement.

Type of ammo carried is also a factor yes? For me, in the city I always carry Fragmentation ammo loaded in the weapons as well as 3 of the 4 back up mags. The RED magazine is loaded with ball ammo.

 

[Echo40]

There have been several shooting incidents where the ability to cause the attacker to keep his head down and not shoot could gained enough time for potential victims to escape unharmed.

The best example that come to mind is the Pulse nightclub shooting. It took police around 45 minutes before they entered the club. I wonder how many wounded peope bled to death during that time period?

There are numerous incidents such as workplace shootings where the shooter chose to commit suicide when confronted with armed resistance.

If a shooter is cornered or in a area where there are no innocent people suppressive fire might give additional seconds or minutes for other people to escape. It also gives time for more help such as the police to arrive.

A clear shot isn't always needed to take out a shooter. It ignores the possibility of bullet(s) penetration of concealment a shooter may be using. YOU may not have training, proper handgun and knowledge of bullet penetration to shoot through the concealment or cover a shooter may be using.

I think you summarize it best when you write "YOU don't shoot unless YOU have a clear shot at your target." Don't attach YOUR lack of training or knowledge to MY training, firearm, ammunition and knowledge.

I'm just giving advice here, obviously folks are free to do things their way and will have to make snap decisions at their own individual discretion should they find themselves in a situation in which they need to defend themselves in an armed confrontation.

However, actions have consequences, and swagger doesn't sway a jury quite so easily as it may like-minded individuals on webforums.
So I strongly suggest that in the event in which one may find themselves in a real gunfight where real decisions with real lasting consequences will occur, that they do their best to make informed decisions, regardless of how spectacular their training and shooting prowess may be, because nobody is going to be impressed by that in a courtroom, especially not if their errant shots resulted in substantial collateral damage, leaving the shooter facing charges of destruction of private property, wreckless endangerment, and/or murder.

 

[Univibe]

To each his own. Some like chocolate, others like vanilla.

I'm perfectly fine with having a J frame as my EDC. In fact I'll be changing from a 640-1 to a 442 in the near future. A little bit smaller and a lot lighter.

Why? I simply shoot better with a wheelgun than a semi. I may only have 5 shots, but good chance they're going to be on target.

JMHO YMMV.

Actually, not. Even trained shooters such as policemen miss about 80% of the time in real firefights. And what if you score five solid hits and the bad guy keeps on fighting? Or has two more allies along, and they're shooting, too?

More likely, with the J-Frame, you'll run out of five rounds of ammo in two seconds, with no reload, and get killed.

Whereas if you carried a Glock 19 or 17, like I do, and an extra magazine, you'd just be getting warmed up.


Gangstas, terrorists and mass shooters don't arm themselves with j-frames -- why should you?

 

[rockquarry]

To each his own. Some like chocolate, others like vanilla.

I'm perfectly fine with having a J frame as my EDC. In fact I'll be changing from a 640-1 to a 442 in the near future. A little bit smaller and a lot lighter.

Why? I simply shoot better with a wheelgun than a semi. I may only have 5 shots, but good chance they're going to be on target.

JMHO YMMV.

You make a very sensible point, but some are so consumed with textbook "what if" gunfighting paranoia that they're unable to see practical aspects. Basic shooting skill appears to be very secondary to at least some of these people.

 

[smoothshooter]

Hard to believe that wasn't one person carrying there, especially in a state like Colorado. Looks like he picked the right store.

Even in a Liberal place like Boulder, you would think someone would be legally carrying.
Of course in that political environment, there is a pretty good chance that a good guy using his gun to put a stop to the shooter would be charged by the prosecutor, or sued civilly, thus incurring legal fees and court costs that would bankrupt him even if he won.

So I suppose it's possible an armed good guy WAS present, but chose to lay low and do nothing unless threatened directly by the shooter.
May have been the right thing to do after all, but I wasn't there.

 

[krutsch]

...
So I suppose it's possible an armed good guy WAS present, but chose to lay low and do nothing unless threatened directly by the shooter.
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That's what I would have done. A suicidal maniac, wearing body armor, and spraying 5.56 ...vs ... me and my J-frame .357? Hard pass, unless I have no choice (i.e. I am cornered and/or running was not an option).

 

[VictorLouis]

It reminds me of that tale about the firearms instructors at a convention. Perhaps it was ASLET? Nearly every one of them was totin' a J-frame, LOL.

The smaller the caliber, the easier it is to control. The less recoil, and muzzle flip, with less noise/blast. This make shooting more pleasant, and practice is less of a 'chore'. This all adds-up to increased hit -potential, and accuracy.
Hits are what count, and well-placed hits score higher, so-to-speak.

 

[roundgun]

Train and carry with the biggest and highest capacity weapon you can manage safely and shoot effectively, if that's a j-frame, cool. However, I caution that comfort with the minimum you can do in life doesn't push us to being our best.