CAJUNLAWYER
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Well the e mail WAS for a "pistol" course....Although my interest in the "Warrior Expert Theory" portion is indeed piqued.
Pistol course?
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Doug M.
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Want a revolver class? Go to HITS in Texas and train with Nyeti.
I’m afraid very few members of my club are ready for “ Warrior expert theory” and “Counter ambush training”. 
I work the pistol range and have taught CPL classes there. Far too many members are horrible shots and really need more basic instruction and range time.
I’ve had members show up to shoot with 9mm ammo for their .380 and .38 Super ammo for their .38 Special. I had a regular shooter show up with a police give-away trigger lock on his carry gun. Unfortunately, he lost the key! We had a case of those locks in the cabinet and I found one that opened his lock.
If we taught an advanced course, it should include:
* Tactical hearing aids
* Ammunition selection for dummies
* Your cane as an impact weapon
If the course required any running, we’d need paramedics on standby.
I work the pistol range and have taught CPL classes there. Far too many members are horrible shots and really need more basic instruction and range time.
I’ve had members show up to shoot with 9mm ammo for their .380 and .38 Super ammo for their .38 Special. I had a regular shooter show up with a police give-away trigger lock on his carry gun. Unfortunately, he lost the key! We had a case of those locks in the cabinet and I found one that opened his lock.
If we taught an advanced course, it should include:
* Tactical hearing aids
* Ammunition selection for dummies
* Your cane as an impact weapon
If the course required any running, we’d need paramedics on standby.
CAJUNLAWYER
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Another popular offering is brown or white gravy on mashed taters
SchemaEnigma
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I'm surprised so many of you seem puzzled by the wording of the OP's posted class content.
It is straight out of United States Concealed Carry Association (USCCA) Defensive Shooting Fundamentals Level 2 training.
It is straight out of United States Concealed Carry Association (USCCA) Defensive Shooting Fundamentals Level 2 training.
Jon651
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Got a email from my gun club for a pistol course. What do you think about the underlined statement below.
Class topics:
* On-range training in crucial handgun skills * Warrior expert theory
* Counter ambush training * Balance of speed and precision
* Stance and movement; * Grip and trigger control
* Presentation from ready and holster * Shooting from retention and reloading
* Diagnosing your misses * Defensive shooting drills
* This class is for semi-automatic pistols, NOT revolvers--
** 9mm ammunition cn be mde available if you need for this course**
I don't see a problem with this. From what I believe, there is pretty much only one way to reload a semi-auto pistol and the method is nearly identical for every one out there. As for revolvers, however, there are speed-loaders, speed-strips and single-round feeding by hand and the instructors don't want to be taking up too much time having to individualize each student's instruction depending on what equipment they decide to bring with them.
AJ
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There are a couple of methods of reloading a weapon. We taught "Speed Reloads" when you are in a gunfight and need to get reloaded and back into the fight as quickly as possible. Dump the empty mag and move on with the fight. We also taught "Tactical Reloads" this is where you need to hang onto the magazine for future reloading and use. The empty mag goes back into the mag pouch. For the average individual I support the "Speed Reload" method, as they would be in need of rounds quickly and if they can when it is all over they can go back and pick of their mags if/when the police let them.....after all it will be a crime scene.
Like I wrote before we taught the revolver course separately from the auto course. Once the student was versed in both disciplines they could shoot the same course of fire with either weapon. I was teaching for the most part young 0311 (Infantry) to shoot in a gunfight for real. These were Fleet Anti-Terrorist Security Team (F.A.S.T.) members.
Moms & Dads, Grandmothers & Grandfathers and the like can not be made into a gunfighter. You can however, teach them the safe & proper way to handle a weapon, how to shoot it in a stressful situation if needed and how to reload it as quickly as possible if needed.
OP
That was shown in the Email I got. I only C&P a little bit of it to put on here!
Here is all I got other than the club name!
sive Shooting Fundamentals Level 1
Defensive Shooting Fundamentals Level 1 September 26, 2021 (8:30 to 5:00)
Defensive Shooting Fundamentals Level 1 October 9, 2021 (8:30 to 5:00)
Defensive Shooting Fundamentals Level 1 November 13, 2021 (8:30 to 5:00)
This national training program from the US Concealed Carry Association will train your mind and body to respond to life-threatening situations. Build the foundation you need to understand intuitive defensive shooting and deadly force decision making. Unlock the lifesaving mindset of the warrior expert theory that will help you guess your attackers next move with ease. Discover how you can develop the ability to apply your shooting skills on demand, without anticipation, while trying to save your own life or the lives of others. Uncover the drills you must know to prepare and prevail even under the most dangerous of circumstances.
The recommended price for this course is $280.00.
Your discounted cost would be $180.00 ($30.00 for the e-learning, book, and certificate) ($150.00 course fee) (A savings of $100.00)
Class size is limited to first 8 students (First Come, First Served)
Class topics:
* On-range training in crucial handgun skills * Warrior expert theory
* Counter ambush training * Balance of speed and precision
* Stance and movement; * Grip and trigger control
* Presentation from ready and holster * Shooting from retention and reloading
* Diagnosing your misses * Defensive shooting drills
* This class is for semi-automatic pistols, NOT revolvers
** 9mm ammunition cn be mde available if you need for this course**
Use the link below to Register.
Hopefully all is now clarified!
hyena
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I consulted with my revolver. We decided to pass.
31FordA
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That seems like a lot of content to cover in what is probably 7 hours of class time, allowing for lunch and breaks. Some of it also sounds, to me anyway, a little to “tacti-cool”.
As far as no revolvers, I’m not offended. Every time I show up to qualify with my revolver I get the distinct impression the range officers wish I’d retire my revolver, or just plain retire. Trying to teach basic skills to a mixed group of pistols and revolvers would be a challenge, especially in a limited amount of time.
As far as no revolvers, I’m not offended. Every time I show up to qualify with my revolver I get the distinct impression the range officers wish I’d retire my revolver, or just plain retire. Trying to teach basic skills to a mixed group of pistols and revolvers would be a challenge, especially in a limited amount of time.
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Possibly true, but who knows!
A couple years back I commented about a young RO that said if he could run things he would not allow revolvers there. I tried talking with him but gave up. When I left i did tell him I was a RO/NRA instructor long before he was a twinkle in his fathers eyes.
I wonder if he's worried of the safety with reloading revolvers. You have to point it DOWN, toward your feet, to allow gravity to do its thing, LOL. You just have to remind him that the gun is completely inert with its wheel opened, LOL.
7shooter
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I love watching retired officers who qualify with revolvers at the HR218 class. They are always extremely accurate shooters. Unfortunately as the years have gone by there are are fewer revolver shooters.
AJ
US Veteran
Back in the day when I taught an Combat Auto and a Combat Revolver class these were taught separately. We gave a eight hour a day, five day auto course. The students fired over 1000 rounds (the course was designed to 1000 rounds, we would give extra rounds to those who needed the extra help). When we gave the Revolver course it was eight hours a day also, but only for three days, if I remember correctly it was 300 rounds (and again we gave out extra ammo to those who needed it). However, these classes went way beyond what the average individual needs to know.
31FordA
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Just about every time I qualify at least one guy comes up and tells me he had never seen someone use a speed loader before. They are usually surprised that a revolver can be reloaded quickly. Some of these guys have been on the job 10-15 years and never saw a revolver in action.
AJ
US Veteran
I use to win money from guys who did not believe that I could empty a revolver faster than they could an auto.
The instructor probably figured that revolver owners already knew that stuff.
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I don't know how long speedloaders have been around, but it seemed they weren't very popular until the early '70s. With practice, however, revolvers can be loaded fairly quickly without speedloaders.
Got a email from my gun club for a pistol course. What do you think about the underlined statement below.
Class topics:
* On-range training in crucial handgun skills * Warrior expert theory
* Counter ambush training * Balance of speed and precision
* Stance and movement; * Grip and trigger control
* Presentation from ready and holster * Shooting from retention and reloading
* Diagnosing your misses * Defensive shooting drills
* This class is for semi-automatic pistols, NOT revolvers--
** 9mm ammunition cn be mde available if you need for this course**
Upon reading this initially, I felt that a "cover letter" wasn't included, which the OP provided later in the thread.
Honestly, while I like my revolvers, I can appreciate limiting the class to semi-autos. When I planned to attend the first Adaptive Defensive Shooting Summit in '19, I planned to use a revolver until I was told that the courses of fire sometimes required more than 6 rounds and didn't allow reloading. When looking at the clientele, it would be difficult for some of the challenged participants to effect a reload (all participants had some degree of physical challenge). The course of fire was scored "time plus penalty".
Sometimes, the course of fire just isn't revolver friendly. My problem with the course is the counter ambush training and warrior expert theory. In my mind, utilizing counter ambush training negates every claim of shooting for self-defense. Perhaps warrior expert theory means mindset?
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Humm, just what is” warrior expert theory”?
OK, while the labeling of course content (not to mention the group itself) may be driven by some marketing concept, I also feel several section titles are problematical. "Warrior Expert" can be used as a substantial club in the legal arena. I don't know what top tier instructors are charging these days, but going cheap on training can result in astronomical legal fees at a later date. I received a substantial amount of work related training-and instructors certs- in this area, which may account for my cynicism.
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