The Russians have gone in

[biku324]

I call bovine excrement.

We're pulling hard for the Ukrainians because they were being pushed by a Russian puppet back toward Russia and they stood up, then revolted in the Maydan Revolution (the 'Revolution of Dignity') in 2014. They paid in blood to be able set their own path, which is still toward the West, with the ultimate goal of EU accession. They want peace, freedom, and democracy, and are paying for those in blood now. Just like we did so long ago.

We and the EU have been helping them democratize their old corrupt, Russian-style institutions, and the Ukrainians are loving it. They like having more transparent and less-corrupt police and public institutions; they've got some distance to go to get up to Western standards, but recall they were under Russia's thumb since the Soviet Union crushed them in the early 1920s; Ukrainians had no tradition of democracy before that, either. They are making steady progress.

My little view into the process was through varied police assistance to Ukraine provided by two of my employing entities. My old boss refers to Ukrainians as, "...Europe's Texans."

There is indeed media brainwashing, but it's from the alt-media that truly knows nothing of the Ukraininan people and their fight against two utterly unprovoked Russian invasions - Crimea in 2014, then again starting in February.

Slava ukraini (Слава Україні)!

 

[UncleEd]

Der Verminator,

Please tell us at what point as you
see it the West should aggressively
oppose by any means the policies
of dictators.

As a for instance in the here and now
state at what point Putin's Russia
and his policies should be opposed.

 

[venomballistics]

Der Verminator,

Please tell us at what point as you
see it the West should aggressively
oppose by any means the policies
of dictators.

As a for instance in the here and now
state at what point Putin's Russia
and his policies should be opposed.

yeah ... because you know how the people in the eastern half of Germany from mid Berlin on over are really Russians at heart
our old KGB boy is longing for the good old days

 

[bigwheelzip]

The mayor of Timonovo Russia explained today that the "high temperatures" in the region led to military ammo stored there spontaneously combusting.

Russia ammunition stored near border catches fire, official blames heat | Reuters

Sent from my motorola one 5G using Tapatalk

 

[CH4]

I have a feeling it would have exploded regardless of the temps.

 

[Imissedagain]

Never met a Country without skeletons in their closet, but the difference is where they are headed now.

Never met a Russian Captain or crew that wanted to return but for their families stuck in Russia.

Gotta go and Ice my ammo as it is
Summer in South Florida. Kaboom?

 

[UncleEd]

The mayor of Timonovo Russia explained today that the "high temperatures" in the region led to military ammo stored there spontaneously combusting.

I admire his political savvy.

 

[Beemerguy53]

I don't know that that is why we're pulling so hard for them.

I suspect it's the same reason we pulled so hard to get into the dispute between North and South Vietnam.

Our Media brainwashed us.

And the weapons sellers made billions.

Funny how that works........over and over and over again.

I don't need to be brainwashed by anybody in order to conclude that one country invading another without just cause or provocation is unacceptable, and not conducive to stability in the world. That's wrong...period.

Frankly, your posts are reminiscent of the comments of American isolationists in the early days of World War II...

 

[venomballistics]

Seems we could use a bit of humanity on this.
It's often a bit too easy to objectify a people in order to discard them as insignificant. Be it enemies in war to make them easier to kill, or as meat targets of conquest.
Meet Dimitri.... A Ukrainian blade smith.
Damascus steel from 20 hacksaw blades for metal. - YouTube

 

[biku324]

Ukrainians also know Russians killed half as many Ukrainians from 1932 to 1937 as did Hitler from 1941 to 1945. Search 'holodomor' if unfamiliar with it. Estimates are between 2.2 and 3.5 million Ukrainians died at Stalin's hands.

 

[Imissedagain]

Seems we could use a bit of humanity on this.
It's often a bit too easy to objectify a people in order to discard them as insignificant. Be it enemies in war to make them easier to kill, or as meat targets of conquest.
Meet Dimitri.... A Ukrainian blade smith.
Damascus steel from 20 hacksaw blades for metal. - YouTube

No gloves?

When the kids moved to the Rockies I noticed my boy carrying his wee lad in a backpack, on a fallen tree, that stretched across a creek.
I sent him a pic of my Dad climbing near Camp Hale with the 10th early on.
Always riding herd.

Bones do not like daylight.
Lots more gloves in the clean shop and the dirty shop.
Steel or carbon fiber toe boots as well.

Always careful not to let gloves catch in the machines.
A giant boatyard jointer can give you a lesson in paying attention and for proper glove size right quick.

My Dad's immediate family left the Ukraine and came here during our Civil War.
The rest to England and Switzerland as I was told.

They were involved with radio early on and then CRTs with sales and R&D.
Moving up the ladder, some did, I would always give my favorite Uncle a hug and a toast to ... remember the Pueblo... during those days when on leave.
Semi-conductors as bread and butter along with scientific test gear, medical gear and DoD fun.
Grand nephew got his EE recently.
His dad is a wiz kid EE/Software as well.

 

[Der Verminator]

Der Verminator,

Please tell us at what point as you
see it the West should aggressively
oppose by any means the policies
of dictators.

At no point.

We're out 40 billion already and it's only been six months.

We should use that money here at home to take care of our veterans of other ridiculous wars.

 

[Der Verminator]

I don't need to be brainwashed by anybody in order to conclude that one country invading another without just cause or provocation is unacceptable, and not conducive to stability in the world. That's wrong...period.

Frankly, your posts are reminiscent of the comments of American isolationists in the early days of World War II...

Nobody NEEDS to be brainwashed........they just ARE.......and some don't even realize it.

We cannot afford to be saviors of every lost cause in the world.

It's a waste of time and money.

We got into WWII because of Pearl Harbor.......we were attacked.

That's the only reason to get involved.

 

[BSA1]

Der Verminator you seem to be stubbornly isolationist or maybe just like yanking peoples chain.

The Holocaust cost the lives of six million Jews and the systematic killing of Roma, Poles, Ukrainian, Jehovah Witnesses, Black Germans, homosexuals, disabled people, Russian Citizens and Russian Prisoners of War.

France and England caved into Hitler’s demands for the territory of other countries in the peace and look what happened. A simple look at the map shows Putin’s next target is Moldova which will give him control of the Black Sea coastline until Romania. In addition it will give him control of Ukraine’s wheat production which supplies about 30% of Third World Countries food supply. Coupled with the large amount of Russian wheat exports Putin will be able to create severe food crisis in many countries and topple their Government to be replaced with his handpicked leaders.

Will a weak United States and NATO stop Putin invading the Baltic nations Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania which were former Russian territory?

 

[Onomea]

Here's a stirring account of the defense of Kyiv:

https://wapo.st/3Anp9fc

 

[Der Verminator]

A simple look at the map shows Putin’s next target is Moldova which will give him control of the Black Sea coastline until Romania.

In addition it will give him control of Ukraine’s wheat production which supplies about 30% of Third World Countries food supply.

It will also give him the trillions of dollars in oil and gas beneath the Black Sea.

And there's not a darn thing we can do about it.

So why waste taxpayer money? Forty billion already and it's only been six months.

With the huge problems we have at home in America........why are we flushing money down the toilet?

 

[biku324]

Isolationism and appeasement - different motivation, same effect.

 

[Der Verminator]

Isolationism and appeasement - different motivation, same effect.

And intervention sure worked out well in Vietnam, didn't it?

 

[biku324]

Sure, exactly the same circumstances. Baghdad was still screwed when I left 2 years ago, and Kabul is screwed today. None of these were analogous to Russia invading South Ossetia, Crimea, nor Ukraine. Details matter.

 

[UncleEd]

Der Verminator,

You seem to be obsessed with
money and costs. You mention
it in every post.

How long would the dollar last
abroad or here at home if a Putin
could successfully keep cowing
nation after nation?

BSA1 possibly has the answer:
You just like yanking peoples'
chains.