I be waiting to see how this california thing with the electrishikal cars works out

[Breakaway500]

Until Kirk beams down with the dilithium crystals electric cars will continue to be nothing more than toys. Their limitations are too overwhelming for 98% of drivers needs.

 

[Narragansett]

Kalif now passed a bill outlawing small gasoline motors. Chain saws, lawn mowers, leaf blowers, etc. I wonder how we will cut our firewood? Among other things.

This is not a problem, you simply plug all your battery tools into your 93,000 dollar F150 Ford truck which you can buy with the optional belly mounted mower to drive on your front lawn.

 

[venomballistics]

Supply and demand ultimately dictates electric bicycles if the laws are not outright abandoned.
That's probably as close to a load the grid can manage

 

[Telecaster]

When new gas cars are outlawed, we'll become Cuba, keeping olld cars running for decades.

 

[Greyman50]

Want to bet that states will up raise the cost of Antique Vehicles license plates AND registration? Then insurance companies will raise their rates on antique vehicles…

 

[Old_Cop]

You don't need a car, move into the city and take public transportation.

 

[ladder13]

An idea so great they have to make laws mandating it.

 

[UncleEd]

And how many of us are going to live long enough to see it?

Considering the admitted ages of many members
on this forum, perhaps very few.

 

[venomballistics]

many times when this subject comes up, I get to thinking about this old film.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaFYcai1vK0"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaFYcai1vK0[/ame]
who'd have known we'd see a day where we'd get to see how close they'd get it.

 

[Breakaway500]

Thanks for the chuckle. I'd live in a cave and burn wood before ever moving to a chity.

You don't need a car, move into the city and take public transportation.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

When new gas cars are outlawed, we'll become Cuba, keeping olld cars running for decades.

Well I'm ahead of the curve. Old Blue is a 1999 with 452,000 miles on her.

 

[Telecaster]

Sometimes I think I'd prefer a car built before infotainment systems and electric key fobs.

 

[MRB1]

Thanks for the chuckle. I'd live in a cave and burn wood before ever moving to a chity.

Same here ! If I ever had to live in any city, I'd not last a year. Life wouldn't be worth living.

 

[Heinz]

I believe one of the concealed goals is to force reliance on public transportation. Trains and busses do well on electric power. The European model is public transportation and $2 per liter gasoline for your hybrid. When you travel you take a train. In town you take a bus, or an electric train or subway.
Assimilate, resistance is futile.

PS, my neighbor with a Tesla has to leave his garage door open about a foot all night when he is charging his battery. Hydrogen off gassing? I do not know, I do know he cannot leave anything valuable in his garage.

 

[UncleEd]

Thanks for the chuckle. I'd live in a cave and burn wood before ever moving to a city.

As you wish. But the taxman
will still find you and fine you
for burning wood.

 

[remshooter]

Kalif now passed a bill outlawing small gasoline motors. Chain saws, lawn mowers, leaf blowers, etc. I wonder how we will cut our firewood? Among other things.

you wont need them they will ban wood burning stoves or regulate them out of existance . for climate change .kind of like incendesent light bulbs . you know california will do this .oh i spent 24 years making incendesent light bulbs .till they did that very thing.

 

[glenwolde]

For those of you that think electric vehicles are the answer- this is a true story from a farmer in the Midwest- and I'm reposting it-

'A close friend farms over 10,000 acres of corn in the mid-west. The property is spread out over 3 counties. His operation is a "partnership farm" with John Deere. They use the larger farm operations as demonstration projects for promotion and development of new equipment.

He recently received a phone call from his John Deere representative, and they want the farm to go to electric tractors and combines in 2023. He currently has 5 diesel combines that cost $900,000 each that are traded in every 3 years. Also, over 10 really BIG tractors.

JD wants him to go all electric soon.

He said: "Ok, I have some questions. How do I charge these combines when they are 3 counties away from the shop in the middle of a cornfield, in the middle of nowhere?" "How do I run them 24 hours a day for 10 or 12 days straight when the harvest is ready, and the weather is coming in?" "How do I get a 50,000+ lb. combine that takes up the width of an entire road back to the shop 20 miles away when the battery goes dead?"

There was dead silence on the other end of the phone.

When the corn is ready to harvest, it has to have the proper sugar and moisture content. If it is too wet, it has to be put in giant dryers that burn natural or propane gas, and lots of it. Harvest time is critical because if it degrades in sugar content or quality, it can drop the value of his crop by half a million dollars or more. It is analyzed at time of sale. It is standard procedure to run these machines 10 to 12 days straight, 24 hours a day at peak harvest time. When they need fuel, a tanker truck delivers it, and the machines keep going.

John Deere's only answer is "we're working on it." They are being pushed by the government to force these electric machines on the American farmer. These people are out of control. They are messing with the production of food crops that feed people and livestock... all in the name of their "green dream."'

John

If you make even a modest attempt to verify this you'll find it's false.

 

[IAM Rand]

I am all for technology but, it will take awhile for it to catch up for what is feasible and practical. In the meantime can we not lose our minds. I am all for making the gas engine cleaner but, we will still need it well into the future. The battery storage and the clean energy is just not there. Plus, you still need petroleum products to make clean energy, solar and windmills.

I too feel that they are trying to force us into mass transit. When you control travel you control the people.

 

[oddshooter]

We have all had a problem changing with the times. Many will dig their feet in and refuse to budge. They will find like-minded confirmation and be convinced they have no need to learn anything about that new fangled stuff.
I don't think it's worth the time to try and suggest that folks seek out and read positive perspectives about technology. Too many folks just don't want it.
Using GM electric cars as an example is hilarious. They are the old farts in the auto industry who will not change until forced. The film "Who killed the electric car?" is about guess who.

The articles shown here ignore the fact that 98% of charging is at home in the middle of the night with PLENTIFUL, CHEAP electricity.
Batteries are now used as the answer World-wide for daytime overloaded Power Grids. Generating plants have wasted capacity at night so they can charge the batteries.

Tesla now is using their VPP (Virtual Power Plant) of home PowerWalls to support the grid during heavy usage; not pull it down!
Opps, too much to swallow? I don't mean to confuse people with the facts.

 

[LVSteve]

You don't need a car, move into the city and take public transportation.

That has been an agenda in many states, but CA for sure. The state and federal government have done many things to discourage living in the far flung parts of the desert SW.