I be waiting to see how this california thing with the electrishikal cars works out

[Squarebutt]

The day after the feds announced the $7500 rebate, Ford raised the prices of the E-Mustang and the electric F150 by $8000.
The electric F150 can't make it 100 miles towing a heavy trailer: We Bet F-150 Lightning Range Is under 100 Miles with Heavy Towing.

 

[TeamPB]

Complex energy networks, developed by innovative market forces and war over centuries, being radically changed by political edict? Cali being led by a governor I wouldn't buy a new car, let alone a used car from? What could go wrong? If I had a daughter dating him I would have to call in all my favors from my old Chicago friends, Louie, Matoz and Dino.

Battery powered cars will be part of our future, not our entire future.

 

[Golddollar]

When new gas cars are outlawed, we'll become Cuba, keeping olld cars running for decades.

Some dealer from Baltimore came up to Gettysburg and bought my 2008 Mercury Grand Marquis with 238,000 miles on it.

 

[Rob613]

 

[LVSteve]

Do birds truly fly into windmills and die?

Here's your answer.

Wind energy company pleads guilty to killing at least 150 eagles | Wind power | The Guardian

 

[twodog max]

If and when electric cars become a mainstream item just wait and see what the utility company charges for electricity. The government will tax your solar panels and windmills. The powers that are robbing us blind are not going to allow the public to sidestep their insatiable appetite for theft

 

[bigwheelzip]

Tesla owners in Norway went on a short hunger strike to protest myriad quality problems with their cars not being satisfactorily addressed by the company.

That Tesla Owner Hunger Strike Barely Lasted a Day | The Drive

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[Just another 22 shooter]

My biggest gripe about current EVs is that they aren't paying any road maintenance taxes.

 

[Skeet 028]

I have to say...part of the problem with me buying an electric vehicle is the PRO electric people try to make me feel guilty for having a gasoline powered one. I live in what the CHUDs call flyover country. Going anywhere important here consists of a minimum 100 mile trip...minimum! Billings is approx 200 total. Make me feel guilty because of where I live? Another part of the problem is the ones who push the agenda on electric is they don't even have a clue about where the electricity is going to come from. Ca has a problem with rolling blackouts and they mandate all electric by 2035??...all while trying to shut down electricity generation while the NIMBY's don't want alternative generation in their backyard. I also have another problem with the technological problems with batteries. They tell you that battery production doesn't have any environmental concerns. The best answer for that is Bull Excrement. I don't have a problem with having electric vehicles. But before you mandate all electric...make certain the infrastructure will support the proposition as well as what we have now. Also make certain the gains for the NEW system are going to be worthwhile. And one other problem...I see people even on this site talking of cheap affordable electricity and saying the oil companies are raping the consumer. How stupid can you be? The price of electricity is constantly rising and when we have electric vehicles mandated across the board we'll be paying through the nose for it also. And don't forget the camel(government) who has more than his nose under the tent. They'll find a way to tax us even more. That IS the reason we have government ya know. One other problem I have...There is NO way that the scientists can prove that humans are the CAUSE of the global warming that all governmental entities want us to believe. Yes I do believe we have climate change. Quite a few 1000 years ago the ice age was upon us and since then the temperature has constantly gotten warmer. Couldn't possibly be a natural occurrence I guess. Remember the artic regions were very warm in the past. Wonder who destroyed that weather?

 

[bigwheelzip]

My biggest gripe about current EVs is that they aren't paying any road maintenance taxes.

Unless the user is generating their own electricity, the purchase of power comes with a tax about a quarter as much as motor fuels.

The user of motor fuels benefits from lower costs because that industry is getting 20-30 billion in subsides from the taxpayer, whether or not they use motor fuels.



What EVs Already Pay

EVs do pay taxes that may support road construction and maintenance, as well as other taxes that support other goals. Since EVs generally cost more than their conventional counterparts, they pay higher sales taxes (in states with sales tax) and higher municipal excise taxes. An analysis by the Acadia Center showed that, in Massachusetts, these impacts result in EVs contributing more to state and local revenues than comparable gasoline vehicles.

An EV that costs $35,000 before rebates would pay about $93 less per year in gas taxes than a comparable conventional sedan, but $101 more in average annual excise tax over the vehicle's lifetime – as well as $908 more in sales tax. If the EV is priced over $60,000, then the EV pays far more in sales tax and excise tax.



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[GaryS]

Keep in mind that MA, along with CA, has the highest penetration of EVs.

Excise tax DECREASES in MA every year as the perceived value of the vehicle decreases. Gas taxes seem to go up all the time.

It won't be long before EVs are taxed per mile using GPS and transponders. Which the EV owners will be required to buy and install.

There does not exist currently the generating capacity anywhere in the nation to support an all EV fleet. Even if it did, the grid does not have the capacity to carry the needed electricity.

The only truly green answer is nuclear power, but the soi-disant environmentalists have nuclear power #1 on their hit list.

Unless the user is generating their own electricity, the purchase of power comes with a tax about a quarter as much as motor fuels.

The user of motor fuels benefits from lower costs because that industry is getting 200-300 billion in subsides from the taxpayer, whether or not they use motor fuels.



What EVs Already Pay

EVs do pay taxes that may support road construction and maintenance, as well as other taxes that support other goals. Since EVs generally cost more than their conventional counterparts, they pay higher sales taxes (in states with sales tax) and higher municipal excise taxes. An analysis by the Acadia Center showed that, in Massachusetts, these impacts result in EVs contributing more to state and local revenues than comparable gasoline vehicles.

An EV that costs $35,000 before rebates would pay about $93 less per year in gas taxes than a comparable conventional sedan, but $101 more in average annual excise tax over the vehicle's lifetime – as well as $908 more in sales tax. If the EV is priced over $60,000, then the EV pays far more in sales tax and excise tax.



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[Onomea]

That headline in BWZ's post #87 is hilarious!

That Tesla Owners Hunger Strike Barely Lasted a Day

Maybe Tesla owners are not into self-deprivation, ya think?

 

[Rich Richardson]

Just follow the money and see who benefits.

 

[S42N8]

For those of us in the hurricane belt, mandatory evacuations make EVs dicey at best. I'll stick with ICE for the next few years.

 

[MRB1]

I've only owned one EV in my life, and I'll never have another. Believe me, carrying a full bag of golf clubs back to the clubhouse is no fun.

 

[desi2358]

My biggest gripe about current EVs is that they aren't paying any road maintenance taxes.

Another poster commented on various taxes EV's do pay but left out a couple big ones .............. Most, if not all, states charge vastly higher title and registration fees for EV's to compensate. I was in the BMV a while back getting tags for a new camper (which won't be pulled by an EV) and watched a guy nearly have a coronary when he found out how much his new EV tags were going to cost........

Ohio has a structured fee system, gas and diesel pay one price, Hybrids pay another (they still use gas just less of it) an EV's get really boned since they don't use any gas at all. Does it cover the disparity between fuel using vehicles and the EV? Probably not but it has already established the foot in the door to expand on taxes and fees for them. I suspect the mileage tax and GPS monitoring to follow, the state doesn't want to miss out on potential income.

 

[Lee in Quartzsite]

Yes I do believe we have climate change. Quite a few 1000 years ago the ice age was upon us and since then the temperature has constantly gotten warmer. Couldn't possibly be a natural occurrence I guess. Remember the artic regions were very warm in the past. Wonder who destroyed that weather?

Back when the Indians lived in what is now known as the LA Basin in California they called it "The Valley of Smoke", or something similar. When the Spanish first set eyes on now what is LA they called it "The Bay of Smoke". Neither the Indians or the Spanish drove gas powered cars, and yet what they were referring to was the polluted skies surrounding what is now known as the LA Basin. It's been that was for thousands of years. Before the climate changes that happened thousands or millions of years ago Greenland was green with vegetation and Iceland was covered in ice. Just the opposite today.

I just read the book titled "Dark Winter", written by John Casey. Very informative with scientific facts and no political nonsense about what has been happening with the Earth since time began. Worth reading.

Also attaching a link to a website my daughter sent me that also has factual information. She went through the deep freeze in Texas a few years back.

Texas 'Deep Freeze': Urgent Climate Warning but Not How You Think | New Eastern Outlook

Why Did a 1542 Spanish Voyage Refer to San Pedro Bay as the '''Bay of the Smoke'''? | Lost LA | Food & Discovery | KCET

[ame]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1630060356/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1[/ame]

 

[Racer X]

Another poster commented on various taxes EV's do pay but left out a couple big ones .............. Most, if not all, states charge vastly higher title and registration fees for EV's to compensate. I was in the BMV a while back getting tags for a new camper (which won't be pulled by an EV) and watched a guy nearly have a coronary when he found out how much his new EV tags were going to cost........

Ohio has a structured fee system, gas and diesel pay one price, Hybrids pay another (they still use gas just less of it) an EV's get really boned since they don't use any gas at all. Does it cover the disparity between fuel using vehicles and the EV? Probably not but it has already established the foot in the door to expand on taxes and fees for them. I suspect the mileage tax and GPS monitoring to follow, the state doesn't want to miss out on potential income.

Washington State waives the sales tax on plug-in Hybrids and EVs if the used sale price was over 20K, or the new vehicle selling price is over 30K. I think we might be looking at the bigger picture, instead of gouging the drivers today. We DO have an $80 a year "fee" for building the charging infrastructure if we have a PHEV or EV. I get hit with it as my 2013 Prius is one of the rare first gen Prius Plug-Ins. (first Toyotas to have Lithium batteries, rather than NiMH)

 

[ladder13]

The hubris of mankind thinking they can control the weather. It's laughable.

 

[Auburn4]

Calif. has the highest gas tax in America. How are they going to replace the lost revenue after they go electric? They are on the edge of bankruptcy now. Their blowing smoke, no way this will happen. Just a detraction from all their inept state government policy's. JMHO