Faulkner
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Long way to catch up to the half dozen, all closed, and counting Ukraine threads.
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Electric vehicles...
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LVSteve
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I'm afraid I cannot consider California a part of the real world, so I largely ignore it, sort of like North Korea.
Just kidding.
Yes, I am aware of the nonsense they have passed in Sacramento, and if I had the misfortune to live there outside the LA basin and the 'Frisco area, I'd be petitioning for my own state to be created or annexation by Nevada or Arizona. The reality of the situation is that moving is the only real answer.
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DUSTYDOGDAN
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If there was an all wheel drive little pickup that was affordable I could see it fitting my driving to work needs. My round trip mileage is 8 miles. Right now I have a 1991 Isuzu 4x4 gas powered 4 cylinder Pickup and it gets close to 25 MPG in 2 wheel drive. Two years ago it only cost me $35 dollars to fill it up and I only had to get gas once a month. I often think about how I could get an electric car but the one thing that stops me is this little Isuzu helped move my daughter to college 300 miles down the interstate 2 years ago and an all electric car wouldn't have the payload or the range/mileage to do that trip.
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coltle6920
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I'm afraid I cannot consider California a part of the real world, so I largely ignore it, sort of like North Korea.
Yes, I am aware of the nonsense they have passed in Sacramento, and if I had the misfortune to live there outside the LA basin and the 'Frisco area, I'd be petitioning for my own state to be created or annexation by Nevada or Arizona. The reality of the situation is that moving is the only real answer.
All I can say is that unlike Vegas what happens in California doesn't necessarily stay there. It will spread sooner or later and that's the reality of the matter.
I choose to look at all possibilities so I guess you and I are done here.
While in Germany last spring, I visited a great auto museum called Zylinderhaus in Bernkastel-Kues. On the lower level of the parking lot, there are parking places under an overhang...but not for electric vehicles, due to the fire danger associated with them...
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Alton
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Reading the post above I do not see that many that are against EV, they just feel it should be their choice. Not politicians demanding everyone own one by 2035. And engines of old didn’t break down because of leaded gas, they broke down because their where junk. My 1978 Chevy pickup got 10 to 12 miles a gallon with its 160 horsepower engine. And the joke was when you pulled into a service station you said check the gas and fill the oil please, because it used a quart of oil every 1,000 miles. When I bought an Isuzu/chevy luv in 1980 I almost overfilled the oil at 1,000 miles. I couldn’t believe the dip stick still showed full at 1,000 miles. Today gas engines get double the mileage. My wife’s 3.0 diesel gets 26 MPG with an average range of 650 miles on a half-ton truck. What sucks is we have an administration that punishes us with policies for using fossil fuels. And if you want to see something that wastes energy, read about mining crypto currency.
LVSteve
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History has shown that you're quite correct, but I have a feeling that push-back on this subject will be considerable, if this forum is any measure.
Always good discussing stuff with you.
ancient-one
US Veteran
Are you talking about one of those sporty electric wheel chairs?
With NASCAR sponsor stickers.
This is not being done for you, it’s being done to you.
Guess I won't let any EV I might ever own get submerged in salt water. In New Mexico.
The kids in CA haven't submerged theirs, either.
Ever owned a car less than 30 years old that's been submerged in ANY water? Get ready for electrical system issues...
The kids in CA haven't submerged theirs, either.
Ever owned a car less than 30 years old that's been submerged in ANY water? Get ready for electrical system issues...
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coltle6920
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It occurs to me trhat the pyschological impact of EVs has not been properly studied. Clearly just the notion of them sparks (Get it? 'Sparks'?) latent Oppositional Defiant Disorder in some adults.
How many EV fires that take hours to extinguish must we read about before it's properly studied? How many EV are a complete loss from floods or possibly just driving through standing water?
Numerous gas vehicles are subjected to extreme temperatures and a deluge of water as part of their testing.
I guess the testing of EV's is up to the public to work out the flaws.
I'm waiting for one with a manual transmission.
Again, NFPA and others have provided guidance on this for years. Here's a second example from 2017: https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/Code-or-topic-fact-sheets/BulletinSubmergedHybridEV.pdf
For ALL cars:
The first thing you need to do in the event of a flood, is to check how high the water level is. If your car does get flooded, it may be okay if the water wasn’t higher than a few inches off the ground. In this case, it generally means that the flooding won’t really do much damage, if any at all.
However, if water rises 6-inches to a foot above the floor, this very well could be considered enough to be totaled. This is because if water gets to the engine compartment or the interior, a lot of parts and key components will be too damaged to drive safely. It’s important to know that your engine, transmission, and drive trains are particularly vulnerable. The worst thing could be water flooding your fuel, brake, and power steering systems. Generally speaking, anything what uses its own fluids is in danger of flood waters leaking in and diluting key fluids.
A lot of the most severe damages will be visible but there could still be mechanical issues that are not naked to the eye, even after the car has mostly dried out. This unseen damage could lead to your car potentially needing significant repairs. Even still a lot of mechanics are hesitant to fix flooded cars since the damage could be expensive and certain issues can’t be fully remedied.
Is A Flooded Car Considered A Total Loss By Insurance Companies? | Endurance
I had a 2002 Ford Explorer that got submerged in a parking garage. While pulled out, dried out thoroughly, and not started until all fluids were changed, State Farm preferred it be totalled. I pushed back, as the mechanic thought it would be okay. Against the advice of my State Farm agent, I instead let them pay for the repairs. Stupid! Never again.
For ALL cars:
The first thing you need to do in the event of a flood, is to check how high the water level is. If your car does get flooded, it may be okay if the water wasn’t higher than a few inches off the ground. In this case, it generally means that the flooding won’t really do much damage, if any at all.
However, if water rises 6-inches to a foot above the floor, this very well could be considered enough to be totaled. This is because if water gets to the engine compartment or the interior, a lot of parts and key components will be too damaged to drive safely. It’s important to know that your engine, transmission, and drive trains are particularly vulnerable. The worst thing could be water flooding your fuel, brake, and power steering systems. Generally speaking, anything what uses its own fluids is in danger of flood waters leaking in and diluting key fluids.
A lot of the most severe damages will be visible but there could still be mechanical issues that are not naked to the eye, even after the car has mostly dried out. This unseen damage could lead to your car potentially needing significant repairs. Even still a lot of mechanics are hesitant to fix flooded cars since the damage could be expensive and certain issues can’t be fully remedied.
Is A Flooded Car Considered A Total Loss By Insurance Companies? | Endurance
I had a 2002 Ford Explorer that got submerged in a parking garage. While pulled out, dried out thoroughly, and not started until all fluids were changed, State Farm preferred it be totalled. I pushed back, as the mechanic thought it would be okay. Against the advice of my State Farm agent, I instead let them pay for the repairs. Stupid! Never again.
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I asked Logan (15) what type vehicle he envisioned himself driving in 20 years. He said he doesn't care as long as it has a wicked sound system and a cup holder.
This ain’t your grandpa’s Buick
“As the Sunshine State recovers from the punishing Category 4 storm that made landfall last week, first responders have faced further destruction from electric vehicles that were submerged in water from the extensive flooding and later caught fire, Jimmy Patronis, Florida’s chief financial officer and state fire marshal, said on Twitter.
“There’s a ton of EVs disabled from Ian,” he tweeted. “As those batteries corrode, fires start.
“That’s a new challenge that our firefighters haven’t faced before. At least on this kind of scale.”
“As the Sunshine State recovers from the punishing Category 4 storm that made landfall last week, first responders have faced further destruction from electric vehicles that were submerged in water from the extensive flooding and later caught fire, Jimmy Patronis, Florida’s chief financial officer and state fire marshal, said on Twitter.
“There’s a ton of EVs disabled from Ian,” he tweeted. “As those batteries corrode, fires start.
“That’s a new challenge that our firefighters haven’t faced before. At least on this kind of scale.”
DUSTYDOGDAN
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I found this today on youtube. A hybrid would work for me if AWD or 4X4
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[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wgV7hE9Uc[/ame]
