Question about states banning "Assault Rifles"

[Bullet Bob]

I was reading an article about Illinois becoming the 9th state to pass a law banning "Assualt Rifles".

I have a question for folks who lived in these states at the time the law was passed. What happens to your property? Does the state offer to buy them back at fair market value, or do you have to find a way to sell them out of state?

I know it will be difficult to keep politics out of this thread, but I'm genuinely curious about how this is handled.

 

[03hemi]

I'm more interested in hearing how they designate what an "Assault Rifle" actually is? Sorta like "assault hammer"?

 

[Doug M.]

Badly. The same dullards who propose such stuff have no idea how to define what they want, which is mostly cosmetic. Our idiot AG is proposing a ban on semi-auto rifles of all types, despite the likelihood of losing litigation based on Bruen. (Actually, I don't think he is an idiot - he is a crummy lawyer with no credentials for the position and a lack of honor and integrity.)

Any criminal justice policy that comes from the Idiocracy of the I-5 corridor is probably based on feel good ignorance.

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

I'm more interested in hearing how they designate what an "Assault Rifle" actually is? Sorta like "assault hammer"?

"Every rifle is an assault rifle..."

Heard that on TV from a politician in regards to the Clinton "assault weapons ban" policy.

Not even trying to be political, but it was what was said a long time ago.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

It's designed to create a Surveillance and Snitch society, sow fear, mistrust, etc. Here in NJ the only prosecution I've heard of for possessing an "assault rifle" involved a State Trooper.

 

[GypsmJim]

I was reading an article about Illinois becoming the 9th state to pass a law banning "Assualt Rifles".

I have a question for folks who lived in these states at the time the law was passed. What happens to your property? Does the state offer to buy them back at fair market value, or do you have to find a way to sell them out of state?

I know it will be difficult to keep politics out of this thread, but I'm genuinely curious about how this is handled.

I haven't personally read the law. But, the reports about it are very vague as to what an assault rifle really is.

The one thing that was said, was that if you already own one, you could keep it but it had to be registered within 300 days.

In NY, a similar law was passed by Cuomo. However, the AR definition was very clear. Items like detachable magazines, bayonets and pistol grips were clearly detailed. Some simple mods and theyb were back on the market in a few days, labeled "NY Legal". I read that only a small fraction were ever registered. Nobody knows whether the owners modified them, or simply refused to register.

 

[M29since14]

It's designed to create a Surveillance and Snitch society, sow fear, mistrust, etc. Here in NJ the only prosecution I've heard of for possessing an "assault rifle" involved a State Trooper.

That doesn’t answer the OP’s question but I can certainly see how your first sentence is operative. To get back to the point, the most common approach seems to be delay. They’ll “grandfather” you in, but your kids will be out of luck. When you croak it will be, “Turn them in, or we will come and get them.” They’re likely hoping by that time they will have created enough social stigma surrounding the rifles in question that the next generation will be willing to go along with it. The kids didn’t pay for the rifles, so why should they care? I think that’s the “mentality.” (Term used loosely.)

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

I have relatives in New York, it's a running gag, when a pistol permit holder dies and the authorities inquire-"Hey, Bill, you know anything about Dad's guns ? "Guns-he never said anything about any handguns." "Nope, can't help you."

 

[M29since14]

I have relatives in New York, it's a running gag, when a pistol permit holder dies and the authorities inquire-"Hey, Bill, you know anything about Dad's guns ? "Guns-he never said anything about any handguns." "Nope, can't help you."

If it ended there, great. But I think soon enough it will not be that simple.

 

[Bullet Bob]

If they grandfather you in, do you have to register them at that time? How about your extra magazines?

 

[LVSteve]

My employer is well aware that a transfer or long term TDY to certain states is not an option for me. One day they may decide that they no longer need my expertise and/or attitude, but life goes on.

 

[wrkerr]

I'm more interested in hearing how they designate what an "Assault Rifle" actually is? Sorta like "assault hammer"?

In 2018, WA state passed an initiative that defined an assault rifle as anything semi-auto, including fixed mags (SKS, Garand, etc), tube mags, and .22’s. All Ruger 10-22’s and Marlin 60’s and others became assault rifles.
To purchase, a training course and 10-day wait are now required.

Once defined, it will be much easier to pass a law to ban “all assault rifles”. So what did I do given that I own several semi-auto rifles? I moved. Utah is beautiful this time of year.

 

[SMSgt]

All coming to a head at a SCOTUS near you soon.

 

[GypsmJim]

I have relatives in New York, it's a running gag, when a pistol permit holder dies and the authorities inquire-"Hey, Bill, you know anything about Dad's guns ? "Guns-he never said anything about any handguns." "Nope, can't help you."

The authorities DON'T inquire. There is no system in place to check death records vs. permit holders.

The rule is when one dies you need to contact the local PP Dept. in writing. How many relatives actually know that?

The secret is when a relative gets old, dual register his handguns with a son or close relative.

 

[demkofour]

I have a question for folks who lived in these states at the time the law was passed. What happens to your property? Does the state offer to buy them back at fair market value, or do you have to find a way to sell them out of state.

In New Yawk when the SAFE Act went into effect, nothing was grandfathered in- if you possessed an “Assault Weapon” you had the options of (1) selling it to someone legal to possess (law enforcement, NYS Firearms Dealer, out of state entity…) (2) render the AW NY Compliant (generally no folding or collapsing stock, no pistol grip, no forward handgrip, no bayonet lug, no threaded barrel, no flash hider) (3) register the AW with the NYSP during a specified time period via a website (which has now expired for registration). So, in New Yawk, you can possess a semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine, but it cannot have any of the banned “militaristic” features. Similar restrictions on semiautomatic shotguns and handguns.

High capacity ammunition feeding devices (magazines that can accept more than 10 rounds (pistol, rifle, no matter…) had to either be permanently modified to 10 rounds or disposed of.

There was no buy backs of any nature offered on anything.

More recently, in July of ‘22, the possession of an “other”, most commonly the Mossberg Shockwave and Remington Tac13 and Tac14 which up to July were legal to purchase and/or possess, were outlawed and there was no buy back, no registration process, no allowance to make compliant. If you possess one after July 3rd, you are a criminal.
Great stuff in the Empire State…

 

[Bullet Bob]

It sounds like most of the states with these laws already had a state registration system in effect.

 

[2152hq]

In NYS when someone dies or otherwise abandons registered handgun(s),,those handguns(s) cannot be possessed by anyone unless the pistol(s) have beforehand been duel registered on another persons NYS P/P (already pointed out above).

The handguns can be turned in by family or executor of estate to ANY L/E agency in NYS and held in Property/Custody for 1 yr. State Law.
During that 1 yr time,,the family member must decide to :
1. Obtain a NYS P/P (or if they already have one), they can have the gun(s) registered on their NYS P/P
2. Familly can designate that the gun(s) be sold to another person with a NYS P/P or to an FFL Dealer who also possesses a NYS Handgun Dealer Lic.
3. Family can order that the gun(s) be destroyed.

If the Family does nothing within the 1 yr time period, the guns(s) are termed under NYS Law to be 'Nuisance Firearms' They are pulled from Property/Custody and placed in L/E confiscation. From there the NYSP will take possession and destroy the firearms.

If the deceased leaves no family or Will, any firearms are taken into custody by L/E (if scroungers don't get there first). Held till Probate is cleared and then turned over to NYSP for destruction.

An FFL Dealer/NYS Handgun Dealer cannot take possession of an unregistered handgun from someone,,turn it in to a L/E Agency such as the senario above,,and then 'buy' it back out of the PD Prorperty from the person that had the gun in the first place.

Seems like a good way to get the gun registered,,get it on paper which is what the laws are all about.
But doing so places the FFL in violation of a NYS law,,a misdemeaner, for possession of an unregistered handgun.

A couple of FFL's I know got caught in that trap when trying to buy unregistered handguns and then get them on paper. Seemed like a good idea I guess.
The gun would be surrendered to L/E. They would run it through NCIC for stolen/lost. just like above. The Dealer isn't looking for a $25 gift card from a local Groceteria from them.

Anyway..
Any AW registered during the NYS SAFE Act (had to be reg on or before a certain date in 2014 IIRC) can remain with the person who registered it.
That person cannot sell it to another NYS Resident who then re-registers it.
It can be sold to an FFL dealer, or out of State by the registered owner. Otherwise it's yours to the end of your time.
Then it becomes property of the State of NY.
I guess they come a knockin' looking for the evil machines.
Cannot be passed on to anyone.
New AW's cannot be registered. That date in 2014 was the last time for that.

There's also NYS Assault Pistols and Assault Shotguns under the SAFE Act, Each with specific things it can and cannot have.

 

[Bullet Bob]

Thanks 2152hq. Sounds like at some point there'll be so many complex laws that I'd have a more difficult time selling my stuff online. North Carolina seems unlikely to pass any of these types of laws within my lifetime (not that much left, statistically speaking ), but there could be a glut of guns on the market that can't be sold nationwide. I don't worry overly much about money, just hate to see my stuff destroyed.

Decision, decisions, decisions.

 

[7.62match]

In 2018, WA state passed an initiative that defined an assault rifle as anything semi-auto, including fixed mags (SKS, Garand, etc), tube mags, and .22’s. All Ruger 10-22’s and Marlin 60’s and others became assault rifles.
To purchase, a training course and 10-day wait are now required.

Once defined, it will be much easier to pass a law to ban “all assault rifles”. So what did I do given that I own several semi-auto rifles? I moved. Utah is beautiful this time of year.

I did the same thing and you are right it is beautiful.

 

[LostintheOzone]

It depends on how the state law is written. They're all different.