Not at all. We ARE allowed to disagree, and generally do pretty well with differing opinions as long as we remain civil about it
Why would I want a hybrid car?
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I would MUCH rather have a hybrid.....
....than an all-electric vehicle. Just put gas in it. No charging hours or lack of charging stations. And an all electric weighs from 4000 to over 5000 Lbs. (The Roadster is 'only' 2700 Lbs.)
....than an all-electric vehicle. Just put gas in it. No charging hours or lack of charging stations. And an all electric weighs from 4000 to over 5000 Lbs. (The Roadster is 'only' 2700 Lbs.)
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Hello? No need to get so worked up about it. Disagreement is normal. No big deal. You should not care so much about other people's opinions, in my opinion (!), and just conscientiously establish your own.
Cruise on down the highway. (Anyway, that's what I do.)
(I've got a Prius, too, and it kinda amuses me that in this country people think driving a Prius is a political statement. It's a car! Nothing less, nothing more.)
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All the anger, what's up. EVs have a place, just not in my garage. So what. I am happy for EVs and Hybrids, more gas for me. Just kidding, take a deep breath and realize it is supposed to be humor.
I think there may be an issue with your stat on how long you have to drive an EV before you become "Carbon neutral." When I was subscribed to Consumer Reports, they had an article where it was anywhere from 5-7 years before you make up for the carbon produced by the EV. Even then you are not truly carbon neutral, electricity is not carbon neutral, even windmills and solar panels.
I am actually more on the Hybrid bandwagon. I think that will be more realistic than straight up EV. We don't have the infrastructure to have everyone go electric. Also, Toyota is developing an ammonia vehicle. Unfortunately it is in cooperation with China.
Has anyone asked why we don't do more with diesel? I have been told that Volkswagen has a diesel vehicle that gets 100 miles per gallon
"The Volkswagen XL1 Is The Most Efficient Car Ever
Drive more than 500 miles on two gallons of fuel
BY DANIEL DUMAS | PUBLISHED JAN 14, 2014 1:24 AM EST"
To me, the diesel has the most promise in the near term but, the "Establishment" won't lighten up on the diesel regulations.
Just sayin
All the anger, what's up. EVs have a place, just not in my garage. So what. I am happy for EVs and Hybrids, more gas for me. Just kidding, take a deep breath and realize it is supposed to be humor.
I think there may be an issue with your stat on how long you have to drive an EV before you become "Carbon neutral." When I was subscribed to Consumer Reports, they had an article where it was anywhere from 5-7 years before you make up for the carbon produced by the EV. Even then you are not truly carbon neutral, electricity is not carbon neutral, even windmills and solar panels.
I am actually more on the Hybrid bandwagon. I think that will be more realistic than straight up EV. We don't have the infrastructure to have everyone go electric. Also, Toyota is developing an ammonia vehicle. Unfortunately it is in cooperation with China.
Has anyone asked why we don't do more with diesel? I have been told that Volkswagen has a diesel vehicle that gets 100 miles per gallon
"The Volkswagen XL1 Is The Most Efficient Car Ever
Drive more than 500 miles on two gallons of fuel
BY DANIEL DUMAS | PUBLISHED JAN 14, 2014 1:24 AM EST"
To me, the diesel has the most promise in the near term but, the "Establishment" won't lighten up on the diesel regulations.
Just sayin
I'm with you. Diesel is the way to go - just like nuclear is the way to go for generating electricity.
One of the great things about diesel is you can make bio-diesel out of just about any kind of plant matter - including the waste from food production. We're not going to produce enough bio-diesel to meet all of our transportation fuel needs anytime soon, but every gallon we produce is one less gallon of fossil fuel used.
Plus it burns cleaner and smells better.
A diesel (bio-diesel) hybrid would be the best of ALL worlds IMO.
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This one looks kinda nice...
Those max recline seats are no joke and I had to give them up since those, massaging seats and several other features have been unavailable due to chip shortages.
Apparently we can make gas (heating) from sewage as well (?) - and we will NEVER run out of that - but there has been little or no interest in it. And it can be created frmo biomass as well. Out here (Britsh Columbia) our gas supplier was offering biomass fuel "credits" but that's gone now, as far as I know, although there is some biogas production happening somewhere. I believe bio-diesel is available.
The cost of the infrastructure to create biogas from sewage is probably quite high, which is often the problem with alternative technologies, but given that the source materials are more than abundant, I'd think it would be worth seriously looking into.
Another "fuel" is hydrogen, and one are that is being seriously studied in the US & Canada is to replace diesel-electric trains with hydrogen-electric, which seems like a good application for this as long as the hydrogen creation is "green" - fixed transportation lines, easy to add another car to the train to transport the hydrogen, etc. For cars, no.
Both of these make sense to me to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels, but the current mantra seems to be to "electrify at all costs", which I'm not sure is wise as I'm leery of putting all our rgges in one basket.
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Is this statement paradoxical, or is it just me?
I have gone electric, sort of. In between lawn service visits I blow the piles of mulch that the birds and squirrels deposit on my walkway.
I found it much easier to use an electric powered blower than take out a broom or use a gasoline powered device.
I won’t ever have a 1000 lb+ lithium battery firebomb in my garage, ever.
In between lawn service visits I blow the piles of mulch that the birds and squirrels deposit on my walkway.I found it much easier to use an electric powered blower than take out a broom or use a gasoline powered device.
I won’t ever have a 1000 lb+ lithium battery firebomb in my garage, ever.
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Has anyone asked why we don't do more with diesel? I have been told that Volkswagen has a diesel vehicle that gets 100 miles per gallon
"The Volkswagen XL1 Is The Most Efficient Car Ever
Drive more than 500 miles on two gallons of fuel
BY DANIEL DUMAS | PUBLISHED JAN 14, 2014 1:24 AM EST"
To me, the diesel has the most promise in the near term but, the "Establishment" won't lighten up on the diesel regulations.
Just sayin
The VW diesel emissions scandal has killed that market here. The issue with diesels will always be particulates because of the way diesels operate. There are diesels that meet the requirements in all conditions, I own two of them. But once the VW thing broke, you never heard that because it didn't suit the commentary. Such is the way America "works".
One of the issues is that the fixes for particulates are expensive and their operation eats into the diesel's economy advantage. In states where there is no smog test owners of BMW 3 and 5 series diesels have deleted the particulate filter and the urea injection system and have reported stellar economy in MPG terms. Naturally, they have no means to measure their particulate output, but they are never in the realms of "rolling coal" like the modified HD trucks often do.
I do not understand why anyone would want a much more complicated drive system that gets the same mileage as a Ford F105 gas V6? They both run the same time in a quarter mile as well so what why bother with the high horsepower Hybrid? Ford is an American company while Toyota is not. Don't care whether they build them in the USA or not, because the profits still goes to Japan.
As for the price of gas, it is subject to supply and demand. As demand goes down, supply goes up and there is only one direction the price will go. Electric costs, on the other hand, will most certainly continue to rise. It is expected that gasoline and electricity costs will be equal by 2030, with gas remaining flat and electricity cost continuing to rise.
As for the price of gas, it is subject to supply and demand. As demand goes down, supply goes up and there is only one direction the price will go. Electric costs, on the other hand, will most certainly continue to rise. It is expected that gasoline and electricity costs will be equal by 2030, with gas remaining flat and electricity cost continuing to rise.
I for one would LOVE to drive a poop mobile!
...Ya, I'm probably out of here. And many, probably most of you, will probably rejoice because you don't do well with anyone who doesn't completely share your views. So much for brothers in arms...
Is this statement paradoxical, or is it just me?
Yeah saying you're "probably outta' here" because not everyone agrees with you - and at the same time accusing everyone else of being intolerant of opposing views seems pretty ironic...
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Where do you think the profits from the EVs go? China? South Korea? Besides, Dodge is supposedly building a more advanced Hybrid truck in the near future. They already have some Hybrid Durango and Rams. I don't care who builds it as long as it is quality and a Hybrid.
I have been very impressed with the hybrids (mostly Prius) I've driven and would absolutely not mind owning one if it fit my needs a bit better. The tech is there, it's reliable, and the mileage benefits would be huge for me.
As far as EVs, I know more and more people making the switch. I'm not there yet mostly for range issues, but if I was in a two car household and needed to replace one, it would be with an EV to do everything but long road trips. The gas savings are nice, and the performance and lack of maintenance would be some nice icing on the cake.
There are plenty of reasons not to own an EV, from practicality (weight, range limitations, lack of infrastructure) to personal preference (I would miss that noise), I'm just disappointed they got roped into all this culture war stupidity. Lower costs and less emissions are positives across the board but we're going to see a lot of this stymied by EVs being associated with a different "side", just like what happened with the Prius in the 2000s.
As far as EVs, I know more and more people making the switch. I'm not there yet mostly for range issues, but if I was in a two car household and needed to replace one, it would be with an EV to do everything but long road trips. The gas savings are nice, and the performance and lack of maintenance would be some nice icing on the cake.
There are plenty of reasons not to own an EV, from practicality (weight, range limitations, lack of infrastructure) to personal preference (I would miss that noise), I'm just disappointed they got roped into all this culture war stupidity. Lower costs and less emissions are positives across the board but we're going to see a lot of this stymied by EVs being associated with a different "side", just like what happened with the Prius in the 2000s.
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You lost me twice here. Where did you read that the gas mileage of a V6 F-150 was the same as the hybrid model? The Ford configurator is notably obstructive on finding MPG numbers. Edmunds.com was nearly as hopeless.
I have no idea where the profits to Japan comes from. Japan don't own patents on all hybrid configurations as far as I know.
Edit: Found the EPA numbers for the 2023 F-150.
Fuel Economy of 2023 - 2024 Ford F150
The hybrid is on top of the mileage numbers.
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My two current cars, both of which have turbocharged gasoline engines and 6-speed standard transmissions, are going to last me a very long time, and might be the last cars I will buy. Having said that...
Several of the fleet vehicles for my workplace are hybrid SUVs, and they work surprisingly well. The transition from gasoline to electric driving is seamless: the only way you know you're on battery power is when the tachometer bottoms out. They get decent fuel mileage and have been generally reliable. If I were in the market for an SUV I'd consider buying one.
Several of the fleet vehicles for my workplace are hybrid SUVs, and they work surprisingly well. The transition from gasoline to electric driving is seamless: the only way you know you're on battery power is when the tachometer bottoms out. They get decent fuel mileage and have been generally reliable. If I were in the market for an SUV I'd consider buying one.
I wonder if.....
....they are going to end up taxing electric cars more for wear and tear on the highway???
....they are going to end up taxing electric cars more for wear and tear on the highway???
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