.32 H&R coming back to the J frame - Ultimate Carry by Lipsey
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I am afraid to post anything here, but the Lipsey’s Aim Higher podcast from SHOT will answer a lot of questions.
The best lock for a double action revolver is a large padlock with a rubber or vinyl covered shackle, locked behind the trigger. Not only will it keep the revolver from being fired, you can lock the firearm to an immovable object.
Thanks Darryl- So long as the Chiefs-Ravens game stays close, I’ll watch later, LoL
Looking forward to seeing it!
I have bought 3 of the newer alloy J frames and they all have decent triggers. No noticeable difference from my older ones. But as long as they are smooth with no hitched I don't worry that much about it as long as I can keep the sights in line as I pull the trigger. They are not target guns in the first place. Minute of paper plate at 15 yards works for me
The triggers are very good in every one we have seen and we like to be able to have the capability to hold black on a B8 at 15 and in.
Interesting. It won't do anything the 38+P can't do and I could care less about the sights because when the poop hits the fan, you won't even use them anyway.
It will fire 6 times where a j framed 38+P only fires 5 times
I saw the Lipseys video and would like to know just how they changed the trigger geometry. The Titanium studs are better than steel because??? Certainly don't save much in the way of weight.
Nice guns, bit of hype
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I don't think anyone can really dispute that the .32 H&R Magnum will have much less recoil and faster follow-up shots as compared to .38 Special +P. Plus you get an extra round with the .32 H&R Mag. (6 rounds vs 5 rounds)
As for the sights, I think you're right when it comes to the proverbial fan scenario.
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I do find the cynical grumbling perplexing. An improved version of one the most timeless carry/back up guns is released and some seem annoyed by it. Not to mention one of our forum brothers was integral in getting this project to fruition. The firearms community really is its own worst enemy at times.
As far as the useless frame lock goes I’m glad to see it omitted. Another way to secure a revolver is a set of hand cuffs secured to frame so that the cylinder cannot close. Before the small handgun safes were ubiquitous this was my go to method. When traveling I’d request a room with an ADA bathroom with the big stainless steel hand rail. Locked to the rail with a pair of men’s under wear draped over it. Who wants to touch a guy’s underwear?
As far as the useless frame lock goes I’m glad to see it omitted. Another way to secure a revolver is a set of hand cuffs secured to frame so that the cylinder cannot close. Before the small handgun safes were ubiquitous this was my go to method. When traveling I’d request a room with an ADA bathroom with the big stainless steel hand rail. Locked to the rail with a pair of men’s under wear draped over it. Who wants to touch a guy’s underwear?
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Agree with you about own worst enemy sometimes and also who wants to touch a guy’s underwear.
But aren’t handcuff keys even more ubiquitous than the S&W internal lock keys? Seems like using handcuffs to lock up your revolver would be a short term, emergency only solution. Creative idea though.
The good news for those that don't want the .32 H&R mag. is it's also offered in .38 Spl. +P. I probably should have added that to the title, but it was in my original post.
I for one, will welcome both calibers into my safe. In fact, I just knocked out a 100 rounds of .32 S&W Long on the Rock Chucker.
I for one, will welcome both calibers into my safe. In fact, I just knocked out a 100 rounds of .32 S&W Long on the Rock Chucker.
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Can't dispute the lack of factory ammo options and availability. Then there's the OVER a $1 per round for each round compared to $0.33 per round for 38 Special. One cylinder of 32H&R will cost almost $7 compared to $1.65 or so with 38 Special. A hundred rounds of 32H&R will cost over $100, whereas a box of 100 of 38 Special is $33. Seems like a revolver/caliber that would rarely be shot at the range.
Next, the fact that there are 38 Special 90 and 110 grain NON +P rounds that have similar velocities and muzzle energy compared to .32 H&R. There are 38 Special rounds that are explicitly engineered to have less recoil and muzzle flash. There's a huge variety and spectrum of 38 Special offerings, so I don't understand the argument with regards to recoil. Plus, it's not doing anything impressive or necessarily special in the ballistic performances department.
Lastly, the .32H&R and 38 Special revolver offerings are the same size and weight. It's not like the smaller caliber offers any advantages in that regard either.
Seems like there are a few cons and only one pro which is the one extra round that comes with the .32H&R offerings, but you're giving up a lot to have that extra round. IMHO, S&W blundered in not chambering it in 327 Mag instead with the option of firing .32H&R. I just don't see it selling well after the initial small motivated minority purchases one. I'm glad they made it for those who want one, but I'd caution you all to get them while you can because they maybe hard to find and/or will be discontinued in the future. There's a very small niche market for .32H&R, and I highly doubt S&W will set aside machines and manufacturing slots to bring many to the market over the more popular and better selling 38 Special Centennials.
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I think the points you made are spot on, valid, and well said. Much appreciated.
I still plan to buy the Lipsey's J Frame edition chambered in the .32 H&R Mag, if I can't find a reasonably priced 431pd or 432pd in excellent to mint condition.
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The correct answer is to buy all three, e.i., 431pd, 432pd, and 432UC, if you can get them at a reasonable price
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Hey Guys-Iff'n y'all don't like .32H&R don' buy one. Lipsey thinks they will sell because they are the ones buying them from S&W, then selling them to the public. I am sure for all the changes/improvements for the UC's have Lipsey had to commit to a pretty large order.
I was just shooting my Lipsey GP100 in .327 today, greatr gun. Much, much better trigger out of the box compared to a standard GP100. Lipsey seems to get the manufacturers to up their game.
I was just shooting my Lipsey GP100 in .327 today, greatr gun. Much, much better trigger out of the box compared to a standard GP100. Lipsey seems to get the manufacturers to up their game.
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I think if you're limited to factory ammo the .32 doesn't make sense, but if you're loading it makes a lot of sense.
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What a post. Your cost comparisons are not apples to apples. 38 special LRN on ammoseek is about 35-40 cents per round. Legitimate self defense ammo is $1 per round if you can find it (Federal HST is the only 38 spl SD load I would ever use).32 long LRN is also 35-40 cents per round. 32 H&R mag SD ammo is also $1 per round. Very similar costs for the 32 and 38 range/SD offerings.
You clearly don’t own or shoot 32 of any variety. A 32 long wadcutter is a cream puff compared to a 38 spl wadcutter.
I have a 32 H&R Bisley Ruger, a 432PD, an H&R 32, and multiple 32 hand ejectors including a couple Reg Police guns. New shooters, females, my wife, and my buddies all enjoy shooting these guns immensely. Perhaps Smith and Wesson is heading down the road to rehydrate the 32 caliber in modern times.
10mm was written off too for quite some time because “what does is do better than insert another caliber here”. Now look at the market demand, Glock just released a Glock 29 gen 5 due to demand!
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Of course, you would only want to conveniently compare self-defense ammo cost even though 99.99% of people aren’t going to the range and shooting 50-100 or more rounds of self-defense ammo. That's a little disingenuous on your part. No, my cost comparison is on point. The point is that any and all commercial 32H&R ammo that I've been able to find is OVER a $1 per round. That means that any and all range trips practicing with that caliber will be over $1 per round. 38 Special ammo for the range, training, and plinking can be had at .32 cents per round.
Next, 32 Long isn't shooting, training, or practicing with the same caliber and similar round that you plan on carrying. You might as well be shooting a 22lr that is 3x less in cost than 32 Long for training, practice, and plinking. Plus, 32 long and 32H&R are both rounds that are harder to find and have limited options compared to other calibers.
Not saying you're wrong, but care to cite a video or objective testing data so we can compare? Even still, I don't believe that the overwhelming majority of those who carry for self-defense purposes are EDCing wadcutters in their revolvers.
That's great, and there's nothing wrong with that. The fact still remains that the cons are brought up are valid. It's a very expensive round, not many places carry .32 ammo, there are tons of quality options in .32 compared to other calibers, and it's not a popular round. There are quantity self-defense 38 Special rounds that have similar muzzle energy. All that doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with others buy and enjoying shooting .32.
The argument still stands and is valid. Most factory 10mm doesn't do anything better than 40s&w and some other caliber offerings. No one doubted that full powered hunting designed ammo was more powerful than most popular semiauto self-defense calibers. The issue is that most people who purchase 10mm aren't carry full powered hunting loads but rather 10mm on the outside and 40s&w on the inside. As far as 10mm becoming popular, it's because gun owners as a whole have this obsession with stopping power, higher muzzle energy, the mythical "one shot stop," defense against bears and larger predators, and more powerful calibers as a whole. There's not a market for a more expensive weaker caliber for self-defense in 32H&R. That's not an apples to apples comparison. Most will be happy with 22lr or 38spc.
That's just my opinion, and it's not an attack on anyone who still wants to buy and enjoy the caliber. The facts are that there are pros and cons. Many in this thread have spoken about the cons over 38 Special, but then they become defensive when someone brings up any of the cons of .32....
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