Is the .32 Better Than the .44 Mag?!? — GMP #247

[Dump1567]

For those .32 fans.

Darryl Bolke is a proponent of smaller calibers in wheelguns for self-defense. In this episode, he shares why he thinks the .32 caliber hits the sweet spot in power versus controllability.

https://youtu.be/qw0Hble9g3c

I've got mine.

 

[robertrwalsh]

There is no doubt whatsoever that a hit with a .32 is almost always better than a miss with a .44 mag.

 

[AJ]

The .32 is much more controllable for follow up shots if needed.

 

[Dump1567]

The .32 is much more controllable for follow up shots if needed.

That's pretty much the jist of the video. Shot placement, accuracy, and shootability is king.

 

[BrBa]

I love the idea of an effective 6 shot revolver for pocket carry that is also easy to shoot. Unfortunately there seems to be very little industry support for the .312 caliber. Ruger is the only one keeping the .327 Federal on life support, and it has more going for it than .32 H&R. Doesn't seem to be much excitement for .30 Super Carry either. Look at the options for .32 H&R carry ammo, nevermind price and availability. Most just use an off the shelf component like the XTP bullet, which isn't bad but you would think the manufacturers could do a lot better with current technology.

When Lipseys announced they were teaming with S&W for the 432/632 UC offerings, I emailed Barnes to see if they had any plans to develop any bullets in .312. They were too polite to laugh, but you get the idea.

 

[rct269]

If/when you have the good fortune to be schooled in one on one, kill or be killed combat, it's like the man said, "Shot placement, accuracy, and "shootability" is king."------------never mind I'm not so sure I know what "shootability" means. If it doesn't mean "willing and able", it should! There's no time to think----only to react.

Bottom Line: You MUST be able to hit your (EXACT) target first---and first crack out of the box! (I forget who said it, but "There's no second place winner in a gunfight!")

One thing I'm sure of is there's a whole lot of concealed carry folks out there who lack the mindset to get the job done!

Ralph Tremaine

 

[AJ]

If/when you have the good fortune to be schooled in one on one, kill or be killed combat, it's like the man said, "Shot placement, accuracy, and "shootability" is king."------------never mind I'm not so sure I know what "shootability" means. If it doesn't mean "willing and able", it should! There's no time to think----only to react.

Bottom Line: You MUST be able to hit your (EXACT) target first---and first crack out of the box! (I forget who said it, but "There's no second place winner in a gunfight!")

One thing I'm sure of is there's a whole lot of concealed carry folks out there who lack the mindset to get the job done!

Ralph Tremaine

No Second Place Winner by Jordan, William H. Bill: Good Hardcover | ThriftBooksVintage

 

[Sistema1927]

Nice stocks on that Model 30.

I went with these Altamont's on mine.

 

[nyeti]

Glad you guys enjoyed it. The comments here have been much better than YouTube…..almost like you watched the video.

 

[nyeti]

As an added bonus….we built this for testing and I pretty much live with it these days on my person every waking minute.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

Darryl Bolke is a proponent of smaller calibers in wheelguns for self-defense. In this episode, he shares why he thinks the .32 caliber hits the sweet spot in power versus controllability.

When it comes to "controllability" it depends on training, aging and your health.

The .45 ACP and .357 Magnum was my go to but that was many moons ago. So today a .38 Special works for me but a .32 or a .22 might be in my future.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

One thing I'm sure of is there's a whole lot of concealed carry folks out there who lack the mindset to get the job done!

Ralph Tremaine

Ralph you have great points. I read this somewhere; "Two things people do not take into consideration, is the shooters ability to put hits on target and the second, the willingness to put hits on target. The "Fight or Flight Response".

Most people need Professional Training to get to 'the proper mindset'. But instead they buy a Gun Safe full of firearms and never put them to use.

 

[gwpercle]

There is no doubt whatsoever that a hit with a .32 is almost always better than a miss with a .44 mag.

And I can tell you ... in a gunfight ... only hits count !
Gary

 

[Glenn R. McMannly]

What’s the story on those multicolor stocks?

 

[BB57]

If/when you have the good fortune to be schooled in one on one, kill or be killed combat, it's like the man said, "Shot placement, accuracy, and "shootability" is king."------------never mind I'm not so sure I know what "shootability" means. If it doesn't mean "willing and able", it should! There's no time to think----only to react.

Bottom Line: You MUST be able to hit your (EXACT) target first---and first crack out of the box! (I forget who said it, but "There's no second place winner in a gunfight!")

One thing I'm sure of is there's a whole lot of concealed carry folks out there who lack the mindset to get the job done!

Ralph Tremaine

Exactly this. ^^^^^

When you are confronted with a life threatening situation and the extreme stress that goes with it, it’s all about reaction and training.

You will devolve to your lowest level of fully mastered training.

Just as importantly the more bandwidth you have to devote to shooting basics and tactics the less bandwidth you will have to devote to sound decision making and staying ahead of events.

 

[BB57]

Way too many folks, including way too many law enforcement officers seem to think that the guy who gets the first shot off is more likely to win the fight. They also seem to think you won’t be able to use your sights in a real world shoot.

The reality is the first person to score a center of mass hit is very likely to prevail in a gunfight and you are far more likely to be that guy if you’ve trained enough that placing the front sight blade on target is automatic (as if your grip automatically aligning the rear sights).

The fact that way too many LEOs are not trained to that standard and don’t acknowledge the need, is why the hit percentage in officer involved shoots is down around 20%, with the other 80% skipping through the neighborhood looking for innocent bystanders and lawsuits.

 

[AJ]

Exactly this. ^^^^^

When you are confronted with a life threatening situation and the extreme stress that goes with it, it’s all about reaction and training.

You will devolve to your lowest level of fully mastered training.

Just as importantly the more bandwidth you have to devote to shooting basics and tactics the less bandwidth you will have to devote to sound decision making and staying ahead of events.

All the schools that I have been to teach certain ways of doing (mastering) your shooting technique. They do this by "rote" training. Doing the same thing the same way each and every time. It is imprinted into your brain. When faced with a shooting situation people will fall back to their rote training. I know that every time I have needed a gun, by the time I realized it the gun was already drawn.

 

[AJ]

Way too many folks, including way too many law enforcement officers seem to think that the guy who gets the first shot off is more likely to win the fight. They also seem to think you won’t be able to use your sights in a real world shoot.

The reality is the first person to score a center of mass hit is very likely to prevail in a gunfight and you are far more likely to be that guy if you’ve trained enough that placing the front sight blade on target is automatic (as if your grip automatically aligning the rear sights).

The fact that way too many LEOs are not trained to that standard and don’t acknowledge the need, is why the hit percentage in officer involved shoots is down around 20%, with the other 80% skipping through the neighborhood looking for innocent bystanders and lawsuits.

"Front sight and squeeze" or "Front sight and press" or whatever they call it now. Was taught to do that out to 15 yards or so, over that then the rear sight comes into play, if you have time.

Some of the most dangerous folks with a gun that I knew were policeman. It was just a tool and because they had a badge they thought they knew how to shoot (read most of those had trouble qualifying).

 

[Shibadog]

If/when you have the good fortune to be schooled in one on one, kill or be killed combat, it's like the man said, "Shot placement, accuracy, and "shootability" is king."------------never mind I'm not so sure I know what "shootability" means. If it doesn't mean "willing and able", it should! There's no time to think----only to react.

Bottom Line: You MUST be able to hit your (EXACT) target first---and first crack out of the box! (I forget who said it, but "There's no second place winner in a gunfight!")

One thing I'm sure of is there's a whole lot of concealed carry folks out there who lack the mindset to get the job done!

Ralph Tremaine

Bill Jordan. And the premise is still valid in the days of common double stack high cap mags. The first round on target will usually be the winner. Accuracy and skill trump massive round count any day. I’d rather face two gang bangers with AK 47’s than Jerry Miculek with a J frame snub

 

[Model 15-4ever]

For those .32 fans.

...I've got mine.

The visual comparison between those two revolvers tells you everything you need to know about the current state of Smith & Wesson.