Surrender Your Gun?

[SGT ROCK 11B]

Do you have a Plan if a bad guy/gal comes at you with a gun/knife/other?

With Professional Training you will have confidence to shoot it out if you have to, even if they got a drop on you.

As a cop I had been on call where a armed security guard surrendered his .38 revolver to a bad guy with a .25 ACP.

Another was a Liquor Store clerk who let the bad guy (who said he had a gun in his jacket pocket) behind the counter and bad guy emptied the cash register and took the .38 that was under the countertop.

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[Echo40]

I can see no sense in the prospect of surrendering my weapon to someone who is threatening me as if they can be trusted to do me no harm.

So no, if someone is threatening me and tells me to hand over my weapon, then I intend to take my chances, and at the very least go down fighting.

 

[Bald1]

From my cold dead hand !!!

 

[ISCS Yoda]

From my cold dead hand !!!

It's more than that, actually. If my gun is in my hand then I can probably pull the trigger so why would I surrender it to a goblin?

 

[Kanewpadle]

I can see no sense in the prospect of surrendering my weapon to someone who is threatening me as if they can be trusted to do me no harm.

So no, if someone is threatening me and tells me to hand over my weapon, then I intend to take my chances, and at the very least go down fighting.

Same here.

But I’m also counting on a high level of situational awareness so I don’t find myself in that position.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

Kill them would be the best plan I can think of . Why would I ever consider surrendering my weapon ?

 

[OKFC05]

Why would I ever consider surrendering my weapon ?


Teams have been known to cover the victim with a long gun from a few yards in addition to the one with the short gun collecting the money, having considerable success, even against armed police officers.
I know one OK detective whose wallet, money, id, gun and badge were taken by a team of robbers.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

It might be best if I leave this one alone, but I'm in the mood so here goes.

First, just because some guy has a gun does not mean that he knows how to use it. Even at close range it is amazing how many shots are misses.

Second, handgun wounds are not always fatal; in fact most are not. Statistics from actual incidents tell us that fewer than 30% of all handgun wounds are fatal, and very few result in immediate or rapid incapacitation.

I'm not saying that I want to be shot at or hit. I have experienced both and have no desire to repeat those experiences. But that does not mean that surrender is an option.

Distraction, movement, confusion, delay. Joe Bad Guy is not expecting resistance, he is relying on compliance, and anything that makes him alter his plans or mindset can bring opportunities (to escape, to physically interdict, to bring your own weapons into play).

Surrender is a state of mind. So is resistance. So is survival.

OK, now everyone can tell me how wrong I am.

 

[Kanewpadle]

It might be best if I leave this one alone, but I'm in the mood so here goes.

First, just because some guy has a gun does not mean that he knows how to use it. Even at close range it is amazing how many shots are misses.

Second, handgun wounds are not always fatal; in fact most are not. Statistics from actual incidents tell us that fewer than 30% of all handgun wounds are fatal, and very few result in immediate or rapid incapacitation.

I'm not saying that I want to be shot at or hit. I have experienced both and have no desire to repeat those experiences. But that does not mean that surrender is an option.

Distraction, movement, confusion, delay. Joe Bad Guy is not expecting resistance, he is relying on compliance, and anything that makes him alter his plans or mindset can bring opportunities (to escape, to physically interdict, to bring your own weapons into play).

Surrender is a state of mind. So is resistance. So is survival.

OK, now everyone can tell me how wrong I am.

You are in a mood aren’t you?

 

[S-W4EVER]

... OK, now everyone can tell me how wrong I am.

You’re not wrong.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

I worked night shift in a drug infested inner city for five years straight before a change to more civilized hours. Every car team that I know of had long discussion on just what to do under these circumstances. The answer was always, FIGHT. Acting as a team there was usually a key word to signal action.

After those five years moving to solo patrol nothing really changed. The proper survival attitude was always a loose cannon.

This survival instinct is sadly something the mainstream media doesn't have a clue about. If you haven't run a patrol car nonstop call to call, on nights, in the ghetto during the summer and Christmas robbery season, your opinon is worth less than nothing.

Anymore questions?

 

[moosedog]

A game plan is always a good thing concerning self preservation and even going thru daily life. Even if you don't access a professional training program, one should always mentally rehearse what you would do in certain situations and never assume that it can't happen to you.
And never surrender your weapon.

 

[Bald1]

I worked night shift in a drug infested inner city for five years straight before a change to more civilized hours. Every car team that I know of had long discussion on just what to do under these circumstances. The answer was always, FIGHT. Acting as a team there was usually a key word to signal action.

After those five years moving to solo patrol nothing really changed. The proper survival attitude was always a loose cannon.

This survival instinct is sadly something the mainstream media doesn't have a clue about. If you haven't run a patrol car nonstop call to call, on nights, in the ghetto during the summer and Christmas robbery season, your opinon is worth less than nothing.

Anymore questions?

So I’m just curious. Are you saying you have to be or have been a cop to have proper survival instincts? Or are you saying the lefty media doesn’t understand it?

 

[AJ]

Many folks carry. Not many have really thought this out as to what may happen. Few have the mindset to fight when the other guy is pointing a gun at you.

 

[max503]

I am 69 now. When I was 19 I jumped from a moving vehicle rather than be restrained by a bad guy. I am so glad I took that action. (Long story).

I heard somewhere to never allow yourself to be restrained by a bad guy. I won't. I will take a chance rather than be taken prisoner. If possible I wouldn't let anyone know I have a weapon until I'm ready to use it. The people nearest and dearest to me do not know I'm very very seldom without a gun.

 

[biku324]

Here's a directly relevant experience in New Mexico several years ago.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isZpQdVe-qU[/ame]

 

[URIT]

I won't be giving up my gun.

Too many folks have not made the decision to take a life to defend themselves or other potential victims. Or, they've been media conditioned through "Hollywood cops" shown as heroes by giving up their guns so they can talk the bad guy out of shooting a hostage or themselves - pure BS!

If you can't take a life, then run but keep your gun.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

So I’m just curious. Are you saying you have to be or have been a cop to have proper survival instincts? Or are you saying the lefty media doesn’t understand it?

The lefty media doesn't have a clue.

The trained military knows exactly what I'm referring too. Kicking in hostile doors in the sandbox is making great entry teams for police work. Unfortunately both have to deal with ridiculous oversight from politicians and lawyers who are as clueless as the media.

AJ makes a most valid point on mindset. The higher end firearms schools make a point of this, that the proper attitude in more important than bullseye grouping. The untrained tactical Tommy buying up everything in the gun store is another story of future failure.

 

[ladder13]

……hell NO……..

 

[lrrifleman]

I have to agree with Lobo!

After I became disabled and got my first non-resident permit, I knew that I'd never surrender, and would probably take a hit or two, since I am far from agile. Try as I may, I had difficulty finding training for the disabled.

That all changed last week. While I was attending the Adaptive Defensive Shooting Summit VI at the Sig Academy, I got the training that I longed for! My selection of the Defensive Shooting Skills class put me in the Shoot House, the objective being decision making under stress. We were using P320 Blue Guns with UTM ammo. In my second scenario, my objective was visiting a friend, and there was a commotion at some point down the hall where I heard someone calling for help. While I could have retreated, I advanced cautiously. As I got to the turn in the hallway, a knife wielding aggressor came at me, no farther than 4 feet. At the distance of no more than 4 feet, I successfully drew my pistol and presumably point shot 2 rounds, hitting the aggressor with a 3 inch 2 shot group in the left lung, in the vicinity of the heart. In the after action, the aggressor instructor said that he was starting to retreat as I drew, but I didn't notice that since I was in self-preservation mode and had tunnel vision.

Honestly, this is the experience I needed and will take this training again and again if I ever get the opportunity.

While I may go down, the aggressor is going with me!