Surrender Your Gun?

[Xfuzz]

Absolutely not..

Nor if caught off guard say in a restaurant or
Connivence store I will not be...

"Forced to the back room"

The dance will start.

 

[dave1918a2]

In todays society be aware of Your surroundings and observe those who come into Your view. When I lived in east Denver and I went out to walk the dog and there were the same individuals watching Me that were there before I merely would hitch up My holster in Their view. Nary a problem. Always sat in the back of a Restaurant or facing the door. Give up My gun??? Good Luck.

 

[Mule Packer]

It's good to read that the majority who have posted thus far have thought potential scenarios through. That's a big step in the right direction. Even if one never has to go through that type of situation, it's imperative to at least have thought of some sort of a plan if necessary. It pays to be prepared.

Someone once said, "When the moment of opportunity arrives, the hour of preparation is over." In other words, when the proverbial "ship hits the sand," it's too late to think about what you should do.

 

[Smoke]

When I worked for G4S they gave us "Weapons Retention Training", it consisted of get both of your hands on your gun, shove it as far down in your holster you can get it fall down on top of it and be prepared to take a beating but never ever ever give up the gun. I kept my mouth shut and took the class and decided I was never going to do it their way.

I never got jumped at work. One guy followed me around a convenience store one night who I really think was planning to get me in a corner and take my gun. I remember thinking to myself "Oh my God is this really happening?" "If this guy jumps me am I going to be able to keep him off"? And most importantly "If I fight this guy are they going to fire me?"

When I got to the end of the aisle I turned around and walked right at him and he laughed at me and walked away.

This is my opinion but I think that every time I was in a position like that at work the fact that I noticed it and I squared up like I was getting ready to fight was enough to convince the other person that I wasn't worth the trouble.

This is also my opinion but I think most criminals aren't looking for a fight I think they're looking for an easy score.

 

[robertrwalsh]

I prefer to never say never, but I can't come up with a reasonable scenario where handing over my gun to a bad guy would be a good idea. For one thing there is a fair chance that the "gun" he is holding on you isn't real, and once you give him yours he then has a real one. Also, when the lead starts flying there is a much better than even chance the bad guy will beat feet and if you are injured you will be able to get assistance. I recall a series of robberies in pizza restaurants in the bay area years ago. The robber had a .25 automatic. He would herd the employees and maybe customers into the walk-in, direct them to lay down on the floor, and shoot each of them in the back of the head. This happened several times. A normal, physically fit and healthy adult who is angry (or maybe simply scared) can take a hit or two from a .25 auto with little IMMEDIATE effect. A .25 in the back of the head will probably be fatal. Going along with the program is usually a bad idea.

 

[AJ]

In todays society be aware of Your surroundings and observe those who come into Your view. When I lived in east Denver and I went out to walk the dog and there were the same individuals watching Me that were there before I merely would hitch up My holster in Their view. Nary a problem. Always sat in the back of a Restaurant or facing the door. Give up My gun??? Good Luck.

Situational Awareness is what that is called. Head up, looking around and being aware of what is going on around you.

 

[6518John]

Here's a directly relevant experience in New Mexico several years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isZpQdVe-qU

How did this end up?

 

[biku324]

Shockingly, Mike Applegate lived. The perp and his thoroughly freaked out girlfriends were stopped at a roadblock several miles south of the scene.

It should have ended with a 'bang-flop' at the scene, as a here-to-be-unnamed state police captain of internal affairs happened to be northbound on I-25, stopped across the median from the action (about 90 feet at that point) with his AR-15 HBAR but couldn't make a decision. Instead he screamed for the TACT team via radio. Word on the street was that his badge had, "...gone 10-7 (out of service)...".

 

[A10]

I will surrender my firearm to the officers investigating the shooting. To a BG? No way on earth.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

A point I'd like to bring up about that guy pointing a gun at you. Chances are he has zero training in pistolcraft. Does the gun even fit his hand?

While I own a big *** Glock (34) I would never carry it. I grip that thing it points 15° off to the right. The double stack G doesn't work for me. A G42 or any J frame with the two finger synthetic grip fits like a glove. It's alignment with my hand, wrist and arm is perfect. I'm also a geezer, I consider surprise a tactical advantage.

Fifty years of practice and training make a difference. Point shooting multiple targets from expected combat distance is the goal. Keep it simple. Keep it familiar. Keep practicing, always.

 

[Bald1]

Buzzard, I think surprise is the ULTIMATE tactical advantage. The bad guys use it often. Gotta turn the tables on them.

 

[Rob613]

In all my training, giving my gun to a scumbag never came up.

Passive compliance will work, until it doesn’t. So many evidence based videos out there of people complying and getting killed anyway.

I won’t give up my gun, I won’t go to the ground and I won’t be moved to another location.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

Passive compliance will work, until it doesn’t. So many evidence based videos out there of people complying and getting killed anyway.

It's really simple, committing armed robbery is easier without those pesky witnesses. So many law abiding citizens don't understand that.

 

[Buford57]

It might be best if I leave this one alone, but I'm in the mood so here goes.

First, just because some guy has a gun does not mean that he knows how to use it. Even at close range it is amazing how many shots are misses.

Second, handgun wounds are not always fatal; in fact most are not. Statistics from actual incidents tell us that fewer than 30% of all handgun wounds are fatal, and very few result in immediate or rapid incapacitation.

I'm not saying that I want to be shot at or hit. I have experienced both and have no desire to repeat those experiences. But that does not mean that surrender is an option.

Distraction, movement, confusion, delay. Joe Bad Guy is not expecting resistance, he is relying on compliance, and anything that makes him alter his plans or mindset can bring opportunities (to escape, to physically interdict, to bring your own weapons into play).

Surrender is a state of mind. So is resistance. So is survival.

OK, now everyone can tell me how wrong I am.

Not me, friend.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Be kind. Be polite. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet. I have a plan . . .

 

[S-W4EVER]

... If you haven't run a patrol car nonstop call to call, on nights, in the ghetto during the summer and Christmas robbery season, your opinon is worth less than nothing...

THIS.

No offense to anyone but LE can be a pretty cold-blooded profession. When you’re a rookie you have to earn the trust of your fellow officers and not every LEO earns this trust. In my career I had maybe a dozen Officers I could trust my life to and these men were closer to me than my own family. In a world ruled by Monday morning quarterbacking, the only opinions that mattered to me were those of these men...

 

[AJ]

Be kind. Be polite. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet. I have a plan . . .

Been reading "Murphy's Law of Combat" have you? That is Rule #5 in "Rules for Gunfighting According to the USMC".

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

THIS.

No offense to anyone but LE can be a pretty cold-blooded profession. When you’re a rookie you have to earn the trust of your fellow officers and not every LEO earns this trust. In my career I had maybe a dozen Officers I could trust my life to and these men were closer to me than my own family. In a world ruled by Monday morning quarterbacking, the only opinions that mattered to me were those of these men...

Absolutely 100%. i'd like this 10 times if I could. TRUTH.

 

[mrchick]

I was a teenager when this happened. The two officers now have a stretch of freeway named after them. Bad guy got one of their guns and got the other officer to surrender his. He then killed them both. Heartbreaking.

Bizarre Tangle Emerges on Sentence in CHP Deaths : Courts: Jury decreed death in '''78 case. But judge, who now doubts man'''s guilt, resentenced him to life. - Los Angeles Times

 

[BB57]

Some folks, I’ll argue many or even most folks, just don’t have it in them to shoot someone.

Some just won’t shoot, others intentionally miss.

If you have not determined you are willing to shoot in self defense and have not carefully pre considered the parameters under which you are and are not willing to shoot, you don’t have any business carrying a gun for self defense purposes, whether you are an armed citizen or law enforcement officer.