I’ve seen this a few times, when a taxpayer had every right to shoot but wouldn’t. I kinda cringe when I hear (or read) someone who has never “seen the elephant” brag about what they would do if they faced a bad guy...
Surrender Your Gun?
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I’ve seen this a few times, when a taxpayer had every right to shoot but wouldn’t. I kinda cringe when I hear (or read) someone who has never “seen the elephant” brag about what they would do if they faced a bad guy...
heeter3
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Surrender is not an option and neither is being an instigator.All of my training says if it turns to shxt win at all costs because there " is no second place ", but nothing is guaranteed and should something bad happen the perp must at least go away critically damaged by making a very poor choice. Remember tactics,training,repetition and awareness are really good investments because some day it just might happen.
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39 years and 11 months too long.
oberon
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Never, ever even think that you can trust a cutthroat to not cut your throat. Never. Shoot him. Send him back to the manufacturer for warranty work, or at the very minimum, injure him sufficiently so as to take all the fight out of him.
Anyone who has fought for their life understands this. It is an absolute responsibility.
Anyone who has fought for their life understands this. It is an absolute responsibility.
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I always tell folks who ask, that if I feel threatened enough that my gun comes out of the holster, I am pulling the trigger. In the case of someone pulling a gun on me, I am invoking rule 8, moving and shooting. I still move fairly well and at that point I will take my chances.
X2 here.........
xfarfuldog
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I cringe every time I see a TV show where the police give up their gun to negotiate the bad guy out of theirs. All the police/tactical training I have received ALWAYS states never give up your gun. Another consideration is action beats reaction. When you draw and fire your gun, the adversary has to first perceive your action, second decide what to do, and third perform that action. The time for him to do that might be all that you need to win the gunfight.
There was an incident locally where a female officer (nothing to do with the officers gender) put down her already drawn gun to a suspect to try to talk him down. She was immediately shot and paralyzed for life. The media was behind her and said she did nothing wrong. Her police academy instructors went public stating she never received any training telling her to give up her gun.
There was an incident locally where a female officer (nothing to do with the officers gender) put down her already drawn gun to a suspect to try to talk him down. She was immediately shot and paralyzed for life. The media was behind her and said she did nothing wrong. Her police academy instructors went public stating she never received any training telling her to give up her gun.
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file a flight plan, fly your plan was once told to me by a pilot.
I use this often when training people.
Make a plan and stick to it.
My plan, never surrender my sidearm, never get to my knees or get moved to a different location. Remember the 4A's. Always Aware Always Alert.
I use this often when training people.
Make a plan and stick to it.
My plan, never surrender my sidearm, never get to my knees or get moved to a different location. Remember the 4A's. Always Aware Always Alert.
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There is a time and place for low ready.
I think the mindset of 'If I pull it, I shoot it' is a bad idea.
Just something to consider.
I think the mindset of 'If I pull it, I shoot it' is a bad idea.
Just something to consider.
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Having been shot do not want to get shot again. Clear mental state on “ there is no second place in a gunfight” is most important. Bad guy or me and bad guy will get as many 45 ACP rounds in my Commander as possible. Dead men tell no tales. Situational awareness is as important as mental state of them or me. Avoid situations is best. My Dad always said” , nothing good happens after midnight”. I miss him every day.
AJ
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I’m not sure I understand what is being asked here.
The opening question was, “Do you have a Plan if a bad guy/gal comes at you with a gun/knife/other?” My answer to this is “Yes, my plan is to pull my gun from my pocket and shoot them.”
If I’m out and about in a location where it is possible someone might approach me with ill intent, I typically have my hand in my pocket, loosely gripping my revolver. That said, if I get caught completely flat-footed I’ll need to assess the situation quickly and do whatever I think is most likely to insure the safety of myself and, if present, my loved one.
If the guy just wants my wallet, he is welcome to it. I have exactly zero desire to test my gunfighting skills against someone else if I can avoid it. I might be better than him, but he might be luckier than me. But if I think the villain intends to do me harm, I will roll the dice.
As to surrendering my gun, I don’t know how the villain would know I have one. But in the unlikely event he does I would not be inclined to hand it over. I might, however, give him the ammo, or at least the projectiles.
The opening question was, “Do you have a Plan if a bad guy/gal comes at you with a gun/knife/other?” My answer to this is “Yes, my plan is to pull my gun from my pocket and shoot them.”
If I’m out and about in a location where it is possible someone might approach me with ill intent, I typically have my hand in my pocket, loosely gripping my revolver. That said, if I get caught completely flat-footed I’ll need to assess the situation quickly and do whatever I think is most likely to insure the safety of myself and, if present, my loved one.
If the guy just wants my wallet, he is welcome to it. I have exactly zero desire to test my gunfighting skills against someone else if I can avoid it. I might be better than him, but he might be luckier than me. But if I think the villain intends to do me harm, I will roll the dice.
As to surrendering my gun, I don’t know how the villain would know I have one. But in the unlikely event he does I would not be inclined to hand it over. I might, however, give him the ammo, or at least the projectiles.
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If someone points a gun at me, I pretty much assume they mean to use it. If they tell me they are going to shoot me, I'll take them at their word.
Like Lobo, I've been both shot at and shot, and would prefer not to repeat the experience. All that aside, having determined that no matter what I do they'll likely shoot me anyway, I may as well go down fighting.
Like Lobo, I've been both shot at and shot, and would prefer not to repeat the experience. All that aside, having determined that no matter what I do they'll likely shoot me anyway, I may as well go down fighting.
Remember the.............Tuller Drill........When it comes to knives.
AJ
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What is that? Shoot them as soon as the knife is presented?
Tueller Drill Tueller Drill - Wikipedia
Many, many years ago I was teaching a Combat Pistol Course to sailors at Naval Station Long Beach. I was teaching them to keep the suspect at three yards from them until back up arrived. Told them if he crossed that line to draw. I had a sailor who was into martial arts telling me his Instructor could get to me before I could draw and fire. I let him time me drawing from a M1916 holster and firing. The time was 8/10's of a second. he went and talked to his Instructor and the next morning reported back. Rather sheepishly told me his instructor told him he could not move that fast and that he would be lucky to survive the incident. The young sailor was a very receptive student after that.
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Perhaps it is me, but I seem to get the impression that some people here feel that there is time to reflect between when your pistol is drawn and when the trigger is pulled. If my perception is correct, that is telling me that you are drawing your pistol before you are facing an imminent threat to yourself or another!
Fortunately, I've never been in a gunfight, nor do I want to be. However, what I experienced in the "force-on-force" training at the Sig Academy, was that once you deemed the threat to be imminent, you've already made the decision to fire! When I had the scenario with the knife wielding aggressor appearing before me at a distance of no greater than 4 feet (no, I didn't allow the aggressor to get that close, we turned the corner to face each other at that distance), I have no recollection of drawing or taking a sight picture. For me, my pistol materialized before me and the aggressor was down. According to the instructor and my peers, the total time between the threat appearing before me to when the second shot was fired was less than two to three seconds.
For me, that was the first time that I've utilized point shooting. The dye stains from the UTM training ammunition indicated a 3" 2 shot group in the lower left lung about an inch and a half away from the sternum. Aside from learning that I could make an appropriate and justifiable decision in a split second, I also learned that the decision to engage and fire was made at the same time that I decided to draw my pistol!
Fortunately, I've never been in a gunfight, nor do I want to be. However, what I experienced in the "force-on-force" training at the Sig Academy, was that once you deemed the threat to be imminent, you've already made the decision to fire! When I had the scenario with the knife wielding aggressor appearing before me at a distance of no greater than 4 feet (no, I didn't allow the aggressor to get that close, we turned the corner to face each other at that distance), I have no recollection of drawing or taking a sight picture. For me, my pistol materialized before me and the aggressor was down. According to the instructor and my peers, the total time between the threat appearing before me to when the second shot was fired was less than two to three seconds.
For me, that was the first time that I've utilized point shooting. The dye stains from the UTM training ammunition indicated a 3" 2 shot group in the lower left lung about an inch and a half away from the sternum. Aside from learning that I could make an appropriate and justifiable decision in a split second, I also learned that the decision to engage and fire was made at the same time that I decided to draw my pistol!
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