Atlas Erebus price increase $500 a year
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Again, that may be, but could someone show me an example of their speed, accuracy, etc. Split times, at 25 yards without leaving the A zone.
Six plate racks, at 15 yards in 1.5. Good Glock shooters do them in 1.8 0r 1.9 or faster. How about just 50-yard accuracy. OR trophies and championships won with one of these guns. Thats all I am asking. If the results were amazing I would say they were worth the cost. As long as it wasn't duplicated by a similar gun (grip-frames) costing several thousand less. Then it's just about prestige, which is fine. My wife has barrel racing horses, raises and sells the ones she doesn't want. It's all about the Sire and the dam. Some of our friends sell 3 year olds routinely for 200,000. to 700,000.00, just on their breeding, they haven't even been ridden yet.
Unfortunately, the wife's are a several 0's less. Still, I point to some of her colts and tell friends there is my 68 mustang, there goes my cobra, HA! Same as a pedigree in a gun. Still other friends scoff at any unproven horse over say 30,000. (say a "Prodigy" level horse)
I know Cabots are super accurate or can be made to be so. I have seen what they can do. But other "cheaper" guns perform just as well. Just depends on what YOU want nothing wrong either way.
Years ago, I had to hit the range I was training at early in the morning before work. Many times, there was a group of speed shooters waiting for me to finish, so they could practice, and my 9mm brass.
JJ Racaza, Jet Dionisio, and some more. We would get to teasing each other but they were appreciative of the accuracy of my guns and shooting with either hand. I shot some of their guns and the comps were effective and the 2.0 triggers were pretty nice. At the time I was lifting a bunch so shooting 9mm, I never had much muzzle rize even in my guns. But I know also that a death grip is fine on stationary targets but slows transition in multiples. I have shot some speed matches for fun never really competed in the sport. It's hard to be good and serve two Gods. I did work with guys who shot IPSC and were friends with Taran Butler wayy back. So am familiar with what's needed to perform in that sport.
Trust me though I do understand that the minute difference in a handguns ability to shoot straight or to stay on target, reduce recoil, etc. can mean the difference between winning and being an also ran. Especially at the top levels of competition. So, the cost of that pistol would definitely be worth it, as most matches are won by a few hundredths or a few Xs. I spent, at the time, stupid money on my Springfield Custom long-slides and distinguished guns, even with a deal. But they were worth it, to me. The Custom shop XD-M given to me when I retired is a heck of a gun (not compared to what we are talking about) but I would never spend 1000 on a plastic gun, for specific matches. If I was younger, I would have had to have one but was at the end of my competitive shooting career. So, it was a nice gift. For me handguns were tools that I used for work or competition, and I wanted the best available for my sport, at the time. I was never a collector. On a cop's salary even with sponsorship deals I could not afford guns of these price ranges. Most of the top shooters couldn't afford it either, they simply don't make that much money and most of their sponsorships is in product not cash. Very few get a decent salary from a sponsor.
I have a friend who gives me all his USPSA magazines, boxes full. I have only read a few and never paid much attention. I am going to watch and see what the top guys are shooting as I peruse them from now on.
bc 1023, that is a beyond nice collection of guns you have. Thanks for showing them. I am just curious man, do you have a vault or old bank safe you keep them in.
Six plate racks, at 15 yards in 1.5. Good Glock shooters do them in 1.8 0r 1.9 or faster. How about just 50-yard accuracy. OR trophies and championships won with one of these guns. Thats all I am asking. If the results were amazing I would say they were worth the cost. As long as it wasn't duplicated by a similar gun (grip-frames) costing several thousand less. Then it's just about prestige, which is fine. My wife has barrel racing horses, raises and sells the ones she doesn't want. It's all about the Sire and the dam. Some of our friends sell 3 year olds routinely for 200,000. to 700,000.00, just on their breeding, they haven't even been ridden yet.
Unfortunately, the wife's are a several 0's less. Still, I point to some of her colts and tell friends there is my 68 mustang, there goes my cobra, HA! Same as a pedigree in a gun. Still other friends scoff at any unproven horse over say 30,000. (say a "Prodigy" level horse)
I know Cabots are super accurate or can be made to be so. I have seen what they can do. But other "cheaper" guns perform just as well. Just depends on what YOU want nothing wrong either way.
Years ago, I had to hit the range I was training at early in the morning before work. Many times, there was a group of speed shooters waiting for me to finish, so they could practice, and my 9mm brass.
JJ Racaza, Jet Dionisio, and some more. We would get to teasing each other but they were appreciative of the accuracy of my guns and shooting with either hand. I shot some of their guns and the comps were effective and the 2.0 triggers were pretty nice. At the time I was lifting a bunch so shooting 9mm, I never had much muzzle rize even in my guns. But I know also that a death grip is fine on stationary targets but slows transition in multiples. I have shot some speed matches for fun never really competed in the sport. It's hard to be good and serve two Gods. I did work with guys who shot IPSC and were friends with Taran Butler wayy back. So am familiar with what's needed to perform in that sport.
Trust me though I do understand that the minute difference in a handguns ability to shoot straight or to stay on target, reduce recoil, etc. can mean the difference between winning and being an also ran. Especially at the top levels of competition. So, the cost of that pistol would definitely be worth it, as most matches are won by a few hundredths or a few Xs. I spent, at the time, stupid money on my Springfield Custom long-slides and distinguished guns, even with a deal. But they were worth it, to me. The Custom shop XD-M given to me when I retired is a heck of a gun (not compared to what we are talking about) but I would never spend 1000 on a plastic gun, for specific matches. If I was younger, I would have had to have one but was at the end of my competitive shooting career. So, it was a nice gift. For me handguns were tools that I used for work or competition, and I wanted the best available for my sport, at the time. I was never a collector. On a cop's salary even with sponsorship deals I could not afford guns of these price ranges. Most of the top shooters couldn't afford it either, they simply don't make that much money and most of their sponsorships is in product not cash. Very few get a decent salary from a sponsor.
I have a friend who gives me all his USPSA magazines, boxes full. I have only read a few and never paid much attention. I am going to watch and see what the top guys are shooting as I peruse them from now on.
bc 1023, that is a beyond nice collection of guns you have. Thanks for showing them. I am just curious man, do you have a vault or old bank safe you keep them in.
I'm sure there were some people who thought I lost my mind buying all of my John Giles and Jim Clark guns. I just tried to buy the best I could afford because I figured I needed all the help I could get.
Just curious, but what’s funny about it?
What do you consider the best shooting semi auto pistols? I’m not saying it’s Atlas per se, but those in that same class, Atlas being among them.
Are you saying the “classic” autos will shoot better? That’s what you seem to be implying.
Sig P210, maybe? No, not from my experience. Ransom rest accuracy, sure, but not at speed.
The old S&W 52 is an awesome shooter. It’s just not fast.
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Oh it’s a real thread. What’s “obscure” about them. They are popular competition guns with a long waiting list.
Since you posed the question, why are you reading a thread about an $8000 pistol in the first place?
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Which of my comments was wrong? I'll not argue, but pardon me, I didn't meant to offend you. I'm sure you will also contact everyone else who made a negative remark.
Will they shoot +P ammo?
Beware the man with one gun.
Beware the man with one gun.
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AJ
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If nothing else, $8k buys you bragging rights, which may be important to some. Don’t worry, you’re not alone. Happens with most hobbies.
Bragging rights are only if you can produce the results that the guns are intended for.........Rounds on target. Owning a fancy piece means nothing if you can not produce targets shot by the owner.
Like I said before, bc1023, you have some very nice guns. Makes me wish I was younger to try some of them out. Many of the newer style foreign guns I have never seen anything like them. Haven't been to the Shot Show since 2012-13. Familiar with the CZ TS2 as guys at the range have them. They are nice guns. Others I wrote the names down so I can research them. Like the "Alien" pistol interesting. When guns were my job I used to read all the gun magazines and product info we received. Now that I am retired, I don't keep current. I sure don't see handguns like yours at the little gun club i belong to.
This may be considered blasphemy here. But I would rather look at guns like yours, and learn a bit, than Registered Magnums, unless they had historical importance. I love the SWs I have but they haven't made anything in years that really interest me.
I may question or like to see proof of what a particular builder says his gun will do. But that comes from seeing that many do not come up to their expectations.
As to the cost of your guns, that's your business. I'm not jealous, but if I was younger I would be, because I would want to know if one of those guns could make me shoot better. Alas like so many now that I could buy a few, there would be no point at my age. I can't outshoot what I have.
Still I wouldn't mind having a few in the safe that I had shot in the day.
I used to work and shoot with several guys who were very good trap shooters. They all had Perazzi or Kreighoffs. I dropped off a piece of wood for a stock once at the Perazzi dealers place on my way home. Easy to find, the guy parked his red Ferrari out front. The wood was 5 grand. I had an old Ithaca over under 600 that broke a firing pin. One of the guys gave me his backup Kreighoff to finish shooting. I remember telling him shooting a 20,000. shotgun made me nervous. He said, well that one was 30 but don't worry about it. Just regular guys.
If you have more please keep them coming.
This may be considered blasphemy here. But I would rather look at guns like yours, and learn a bit, than Registered Magnums, unless they had historical importance. I love the SWs I have but they haven't made anything in years that really interest me.
I may question or like to see proof of what a particular builder says his gun will do. But that comes from seeing that many do not come up to their expectations.
As to the cost of your guns, that's your business. I'm not jealous, but if I was younger I would be, because I would want to know if one of those guns could make me shoot better. Alas like so many now that I could buy a few, there would be no point at my age. I can't outshoot what I have.
Still I wouldn't mind having a few in the safe that I had shot in the day.
I used to work and shoot with several guys who were very good trap shooters. They all had Perazzi or Kreighoffs. I dropped off a piece of wood for a stock once at the Perazzi dealers place on my way home. Easy to find, the guy parked his red Ferrari out front. The wood was 5 grand. I had an old Ithaca over under 600 that broke a firing pin. One of the guys gave me his backup Kreighoff to finish shooting. I remember telling him shooting a 20,000. shotgun made me nervous. He said, well that one was 30 but don't worry about it. Just regular guys.
If you have more please keep them coming.
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Race guns are cool. I've shot some high end .38 supers that were smooth as glass and seemed to have very low recoil. Fun guns no doubt. McCormick makes a good hicap frame and some pretty good guns now.
It's all about the fitting.
It's all about the fitting.
The very same thing happens with shotgun sports and it's much more apparent because there are more people who participate in the sport. The 10K gun isn't that uncommon there and is probably the sweet spot for nice target guns. Can everyone that owns one shoot it like a champion. Nope. Likely they are above average shooters but the difference between that and a champion shooter is large. The gun isn't going to close the gap. At some point the shooters ability kicks it up another level.
So I would maintain that dropping a lot of money on a 7K pistol isn't the mark of a good shooter. It's the mark of someone who has enough money to buy one, or a dozen.
No, I don't want one or a 10K shotgun although I could certainly afford one. Just wouldn't make me a better shooter. I know my limits.
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I wonder what the resell value is like with some of these 8-10k guns. When the next 2011 platforms comes around will the prices drop?
I think they'll probably hold their value fairly well. I saw a guy buy 4 Ed Brown pistols once. He said he wasn't going to shoot them so I guess he was buying those as an inflation hedge.
AJ
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That might not be a good idea as to an inflation hedge. In times where things are tight guns are sometimes the first things sold. There may be a few out there that can afford to buy during tough times, but those are also looking for deals on normally expensive items. Read buy on the cheap......
Yes. I prefer other things as an inflation hedge. Collecting
firearms, like art, wouldn't be my best suit because I'm not really tuned into those markets. I didn't know what an Atlas pistol was. If I found one at a pawn shop for a thousand dollars I would leave without it and forget the entire thing the next day. Just zero interest in gaming pistols.
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They are fine. Used value goes up as the MSRP does. People also don’t want to wait a year or more to get one, so they tend to spend good money for instant satisfaction. That being said, I don’t buy these as collectibles.
About half of my collection to comprised of collectible handguns that have gone way up over time. Some of worth several times what these are.
People also don’t want to wait a year or more to get one
???
There's a few dozen new ones for sale on GB.
$8K for a euro wondernine? You should be asking yourself if you really belong on this forum.
