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Listening to a Fox News host (initials S.H.) radio show and I'm beginning to think this is just another blowhard with the logic of a 2yr old.

If you didn't know that he was a marksman with a handgun you would have heard it several times every 30min. Since the Orlando shootings this jagoff has asked every guest or call-in if they would've preferred someone like himself standing next to them when this incident took place.Several people said they would not necessarily want someone that had a gun and been drinking shooting it out in a gunfight. The talkshow host said that he doesn't drink.

The immediate reply to that was "People don't always obey the law about drinking and driving so why would they necessarily carry concealed and not have a drink or two?"

My question to the knowledgeable ones here is...Is there any repercussion for someone who conceal carries and is caught under the influence? Is there a time when a good guy with a gun is not necessarily the lesser of two evils?

Personally,I can't stand this Fox News person and would love to discredit him but it isn't worth my time.I agree that the number of dead patrons might have been greatly reduced if a "good guy" in the crowd had a firearm but in a dark environment where you don't readily know who the perpetrator is and several people are carrying concealed I can only imagine the consequences.

Just my thoughts about a company that is not always "fair and balanced".Some of their people are just plain full of themselves.
 
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coltle6920 said:
Listening to a Fox News host (initials S.H.) radio show and I'm beginning to think this is just another blowhard with the logic of a 2yr old.
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Beginning to think? The guy's a jackass. I remember seeing one of his shows where he talked about what a tough guy he was for riding a horse along the border and getting to see one of the tunnels used for smuggling across the U.S. - Mexico border.

You'd have thought he had whipped the entire Mexican gang/drug/immigrant issue single-handedly.

Yes, he's a self absorbed, narcissistic blowhard like some others the network is famous for.

Unfortunately, it's hard (or virtually impossible) to find good news networks these days. Some folks have been recommending the One America News Network as an alternative but I've only read their website thus far.
 
Missouri specifically exempts those who may be intoxicated and forced to defend themselves from potential prosecution. Before the change several years ago, possession of a firearm while intoxicated was a felony. After the change, intoxicated persons in possession of firearms only face prosecution if he/she uses the firearm in an illegal manner. Defending yourself while intoxicated is perfectly legal . . .
 
Muss Muggins said:
Missouri specifically exempts those who may be intoxicated and forced to defend themselves from potential prosecution. Before the change several years ago, possession of a firearm while intoxicated was a felony. After the change, intoxicated persons in possession of firearms only face prosecution if he/she uses the firearm in an illegal manner. Defending yourself while intoxicated is perfectly legal . . .
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Am I to assume this law applies outside one's residence?
 
blues7 said:
Beginning to think? The guy's a jackass. I remember seeing one of his shows where he talked about what a tough guy he was for riding a horse along the border and getting to see one of the tunnels used for smuggling across the U.S. - Mexico border.

You'd have thought he had whipped the entire Mexican gang/drug/immigrant issue single-handedly.

Yes, he's a self absorbed, narcissistic blowhard like some others the network is famous for.

Unfortunately, it's hard (or virtually impossible) to find good news networks these days. Some folks have been recommending the One America News Network as an alternative but I've only read their website thus far.
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Thank you!!! I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees through these propped up personalities.I guess that's why big screen televisions are a necessity....You need it to accommodate their fat heads and inflated egos!
 
Muss Muggins said:
It applies any place in the state (In Colorado, you're on your own) . . .
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I would think there would be instances where one would ask the lawmakers "What the hell were you thinking when you agreed to this?"

Is drunk driving legal in Missouri because I don't see the difference.:confused:
 
coltle6920 said:
I would think there would be instances where one would ask the lawmakers "What the hell were you thinking when you agreed to this?"

Is drunk driving legal in Missouri because I don't see the difference.:confused:
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So, you're minding your own business. You happen to have a firearm nearby. In Missouri, you can defend yourself. By your comments, you are okay with not being able to legally defend yourself.

All good. You roll your way, we'll roll ours. By the way, isn't marijuana legal in Colorado?

coltle6920 said:
I would think there would be instances where one would ask the lawmakers "What the hell were you thinking when you agreed to this?"
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Here in my county in Kalisocialistfornicatya it's illegal for me to carry that derives most of it's business from alcohol. So if I go into a bar while packin i'm pretty well screwed. Not much of an issue with me anyway, anymore. Don't like bars and the local wannabebiker/thugs. Yeah, I know em, cause I ride.
Anyway, I just drink and smoke at home at night, now. Like right now. LOL
 
Muss Muggins said:
So, you're minding your own business. You happen to have a firearm nearby. In Missouri, you can defend yourself. By your comments, you are okay with not being able to legally defend yourself.

All good. You roll your way, we'll roll ours. By the way, isn't marijuana legal in Colorado?[/QUO

According to your own words in post 4 you said that Missouri exempts someone from being intoxicated while being forced to protect themselves.I think I can safely speak for myself as well as others that I don't want to be around that person if they start shooting.If it's in their own home I say knock yourself out.I don't care how drunk you are.When you are out in the public you are held to a higher responsibility and being intoxicated while carrying a firearm doesn't sit well with me.As a responsible gunowner you should never be in that situation.

I stand by my comments because you never said if the law applies to only when in one's home or anywhere in general.It could make a huge difference in liability.

Just so you know...Marijuana was legalized under the stipulation of it being recreational but being caught under the influence of marijuana carries the same penalties as alcohol if you are doing something stupid.

Don't be so thin skinned.I'm sure that you yourself are a responsible person and would never endanger others.
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Here it is illegal to concealed carry in a place that serves alcohol. Interestingly it is OK to open carry in such an establishment. Kinda bums me out because even though I sometimes eat in such places I rarely consume alcohol and if I do its like 1 glass of wine. With the local mentality towards guns, I highly doubt anyone would even think about reporting you if they did notice you carrying as long as you were sober.

While I don't think somebody should get drunk while carrying, I don't think that all drunks are the same. There are people I would trust with a gun drunk a lot farther than some people cold sober. But, then the ones I worry about the most would all think they were fine! (both the sober ones and the drunk ones)

So, in the end I figure that if you can't legally drive you shouldn't legally be carrying. But, also don't see why I shouldn't be able to defend myself because I want to eat someplace that serves or if I chose to have a glass of beer or wine or a mixed drink. But, then my personal rule has always been no guns and alcohol. I just don't need a drink that bad.
 
Here in North Carolina it's legal for you to go into places that serve alcohol. This was just changed awhile ago. But you can't consume ANY alcohol while carrying concealed. So when we go out now I'm the designated driver. :)
 
Jim1392 said:
Here in North Carolina it's legal for you to go into places that serve alcohol. This was just changed awhile ago. But you can't consume ANY alcohol while carrying concealed.
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Same goes here in Ohio. That was an update to our CCW laws about 2-3 years ago.
 
Muss Muggins said:
Missouri specifically exempts those who may be intoxicated and forced to defend themselves from potential prosecution. Before the change several years ago, possession of a firearm while intoxicated was a felony. After the change, intoxicated persons in possession of firearms only face prosecution if he/she uses the firearm in an illegal manner. Defending yourself while intoxicated is perfectly legal . . .
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Let's be clear that this only applied to MO. The majority of jurisdictions require an individual who is conceal carrying to not have alcohol in their system.

That's a sound policy as the decision to shoot in a situation requires sound judgement and in many cases the shooter's judgement - or lack there of - in the events leading up to the shoot can be critical in whether the need for self defense even arises and the "need" to shoot even occurs.

That's also the pitfall of this law for the shooter. Yes - if you shoot someone in self defense after or while drinking, you will not be held legally accountable for the shoot if it is legally justified. On the other hand, how well equipped are you to accurately make those required decision after you've been drinking? How much more likely are you to instigate events that lead to a shoot after you've bene drinking?

Just as importantly, how well do you shoot under stress in a crowded room, after you've been drinking? That's hard enough to do well when you're sober. Even if you manage to avoid criminal liability you will sure as hell be sued in civil court if you tagged a bystander after drinking.

In my opinion, this particular law borders on farm animal stupid and forces me to consider whether alcohol may have been affecting the MO legislature when they passed this law.

coltle6920 said:
According to your own words in post 4 you said that Missouri exempts someone from being intoxicated while being forced to protect themselves.I think I can safely speak for myself as well as others that I don't want to be around that person if they start shooting.If it's in their own home I say knock yourself out.I don't care how drunk you are.When you are out in the public you are held to a higher responsibility and being intoxicated while carrying a firearm doesn't sit well with me.As a responsible gunowner you should never be in that situation.

I stand by my comments because you never said if the law applies to only when in one's home or anywhere in general.It could make a huge difference in liability.
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I agree with you completely that a responsible gun owner should not be drinking and using firearms.

When I lived in VA first open carry, and then ultimately concealed carry was allowed in establishments that served alcohol and a couple years ago NC law changed to allow concealed carry in establishments that serve alcohol.

However, in both cases state law does not allow you to carry a firearm if you've bee drinking. In effect, the law allows you to carry in establishments where alcohol is served, but it does not entitle you to carry a handgun if you've been drinking.

In essence, it's like a designated driver going to a bar and drinking non alcoholic beverages - with the difference that while some designated drivers may bend the concept a bit and stop at 1 or 2 drinks rather than abstain for a few hours before driving, any amount of alcohol in your system precludes you from carrying a handgun.

The reality is that I rarely drink. That's partly because I don't enjoy impaired judgement, and partly because I'm just much more comfortable carrying concealed when we go out. If I do drink, the gun is either left home entirely, or is unloaded and locked in a box first to remove the element of concealed carry.
 
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steelslaver said:
Here it is illegal to concealed carry in a place that serves alcohol. Interestingly it is OK to open carry in such an establishment.
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In VA they called it the "Virginia Tuck" as concealed carry folks would untuck their shirt and flip it inside the butt of their hand gun to make it open carry.

I guess now it can be called the "Montana Tuck".

I share your views on no drinking at all when carrying, and like you I just don't need a drink when it comes to choice between concealed carry and drinking.
 
Pa is a gray area. There are no specific laws about alcohol and carrying. You can be in a strip club, a bar, a restaurant with a bar....at the bar, in the bar area all while armed. However it is frowned upon and I'm sure a DUI wile carrying will probably result in a loss of carry license. ....probably. ....I don't know because there is no specific law or a specific case. You can use the gun to defend yourself but it better be something that when looked at from a 3rd party perspective still looks like self defense.

Again, I'm going on "probably" here but if I were at a club and the same senerio played out......if the investigation found that my bullets didn't cause civilian casualties I would probably be fine.

Not everyone drinks to get lit. Not everyone pounds shots like it's their last day on earth. Having been to clubs in my younger days I can tell you it's difficult to get a drink. There maybe 5 bartenders for 500 people. Waiting in line to get a beer is a long and tedious process

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Beware of that guy carrying a firearm who took a Benadryl.

In Kansas, and I would bet most other states, it is not only illegal to operate a vehicle or carry a gun when under the influence of alcohol, but also when under the influence of drugs or medications that can cause impairment which can include many medications.

Popular over-the-counter antihistamines like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) or chlortrimeton, melatonin, muscles relaxers, many different prescription pain relievers, and many other prescription medications all can cause drowsiness (most, if not all, have warnings on their labels or labels on the Rx bottle placed by the pharmacist).

Per Kansas law:
21-6332. Possession of a firearm under the influence. (a) Possession of a firearm under the influence is knowingly possessing or carrying a loaded firearm on or about such person, or within such person's immediate access and control while in a vehicle, while under the influence of alcohol or drugs, or both, to such a degree as to render such person incapable of safely operating a firearm.

8-1567. Driving under the influence; penalties. (a) Driving under the influence is operating or attempting to operate any vehicle within this state while:
(4) under the influence of any drug or combination of drugs to a degree that renders the person incapable of safely driving a vehicle;

Look at the Drug Facts (continued) section (the upper part of the bottom half of the picture):
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