I acquired a 7.62x25 tokarev made in Romania in 1953. I don't know much about the brand or model such at the quality, reliability, approximate value. would like to know the history as well. if you could help i would appreciate your help and time.
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7.62x25 tokarev help and questions
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The Tokarev are a classic Russian design, extremely simple, extremely rugged, and built to function under adverse conditions. The round is similar to the 30 Mauser or the 30 Luger. It has a fair amount of power and in a soft point version it does a lot of damage. It is a WW2 era weapon and was the predecessor to the Makarov
LVSteve
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7.62x25 is a very loud fire breather on the range and penetrates like the dickens.
Engine49guy
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There's a ton of info online on the Tokorov TT33 .
The safety lever under the slide release was added just prior to being imported to pass US laws.
The original guns had no safety besides lowering the hammer to half cock.
The 7.62x25 Tok is interchangeable with the old broomhandle (30 Mauser) round but usually loaded much hotter, ( btw .30 luger is a totally different round)...
Be especially careful with the old combloc copper washed casing stuff as it is very hot being meant to cycle their PPSH submachine guns.
Dont ever shoot that stuff in an old broomhandle or bad things can happen.
The safety lever under the slide release was added just prior to being imported to pass US laws.
The original guns had no safety besides lowering the hammer to half cock.
The 7.62x25 Tok is interchangeable with the old broomhandle (30 Mauser) round but usually loaded much hotter, ( btw .30 luger is a totally different round)...
Be especially careful with the old combloc copper washed casing stuff as it is very hot being meant to cycle their PPSH submachine guns.
Dont ever shoot that stuff in an old broomhandle or bad things can happen.
gregintenn
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That’s a hot little round and fun to shoot.
BearBio
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I used Tokarov brass for my 30 C96, loaded down.
I don’t have a Tok but I got a CZ52 when they were $89.00, (I had a FFL.) and I really like the delayed roller locks both historically and functionality.
Back then ammunition was extremely hard to get but I reload. I got a boat load of new manufactured brass from Grayback Wildcats and worked up an accurate load that works perfectly for the 52 and my C96 Mauser.
A couple of years ago I ordered a TT33 for a friend of mine. I’ve shot it and actually like it. It’s cosmetically rough but an accurate hardcore tough designed pistol.
As said it’s a heavy hitting round and at dusk it’s an event. At the range try not to be real close to others.
Jim
Back then ammunition was extremely hard to get but I reload. I got a boat load of new manufactured brass from Grayback Wildcats and worked up an accurate load that works perfectly for the 52 and my C96 Mauser.
A couple of years ago I ordered a TT33 for a friend of mine. I’ve shot it and actually like it. It’s cosmetically rough but an accurate hardcore tough designed pistol.
As said it’s a heavy hitting round and at dusk it’s an event. At the range try not to be real close to others.
Jim
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Ivan the Butcher
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I make 30 Mauser brass from 223 cases. FL size, Trim to length, ream the inside of neck to .308, if necessary, deal with crimped primer pocket, then load as per normal.
I had a CZ 52 and still have a C-96. People are amazed at the penetration! My rough C-96 Broom handle with do 3" at 200, using the shoulder stock and a rest.
Chinese ammo was loaded with Broom handles in mind, Cheech and Romanian are both loaded pretty hot! I never got any of the correct strip clips, but I use 10 round 5.56 strips for quick loads (if your model has a strip guide, the 223 ones don't fit well!) The Mauser design is about the same as SKS strips except for size. There are 8 round and 10 round C-96's, 8 round strips are super rare.
Ivan
I had a CZ 52 and still have a C-96. People are amazed at the penetration! My rough C-96 Broom handle with do 3" at 200, using the shoulder stock and a rest.
Chinese ammo was loaded with Broom handles in mind, Cheech and Romanian are both loaded pretty hot! I never got any of the correct strip clips, but I use 10 round 5.56 strips for quick loads (if your model has a strip guide, the 223 ones don't fit well!) The Mauser design is about the same as SKS strips except for size. There are 8 round and 10 round C-96's, 8 round strips are super rare.
Ivan
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The only similarity between the .30 Luger round and the 7.63mm Mauser round and the 7.62x25 Tokarev round is they are all a .30 cal bottlenecked round. You can shoot Mauser ammo in a Tokarev (probably won't cycle the action correctly), but never, never ever shoot Tokarev ammo in a Broom. You will regret it. They don't react favorably to the high pressures generated by that round! 
Before this tread gets derailed any further, Romanian Toks seem to be going for $300+ at least on GB. With holster, extra mag and cleaning rod, add about $50-75 more.
Whatever you do, DON"T dry fire them or you'll eventually break the firing pin retaining pin. Ask me how I know...
Aside from the broken pin, the one I have has been reliable. For what it is and the sights, it's OK accuracy wise. The quality is typical commie meaning that it is functional and robust. If there is a gripe that I have is that the grip is a bit on the short side - for me. I much prefer the Yugo Tok with the longer grip and resulting extra round.
Whatever you do, DON"T dry fire them or you'll eventually break the firing pin retaining pin. Ask me how I know...
Aside from the broken pin, the one I have has been reliable. For what it is and the sights, it's OK accuracy wise. The quality is typical commie meaning that it is functional and robust. If there is a gripe that I have is that the grip is a bit on the short side - for me. I much prefer the Yugo Tok with the longer grip and resulting extra round.
OLDSTER
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One of my favorite range guns. Always a topic of conversation; a LOUD and accurate fire breather. Fedor Tokarev designed a rugged, reliable , extremely effective battle pistol. Copied and used by no less than 8 countries. Used all the way thru the Viet Nam war. The idea of the modular firing system is also used by the venerable Sig 210. Sort of the 1911 of the communist bloc countries. This is my Korean War vintage Chi-Com Model 54.
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But a very mild recoiler. And accurate.
Mine was made in 1944.
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I have my own personal Tokarev - an M57 made in Yugoslavia. It has a slightly longer grip frame to accommodate an extra round in the longer magazine. This one appeared to be unfired; there were still machining chips in the frame. It was manufactured at the Crvena Zastava State Arsenal (in what is now Serbia) in 1971.
On the range, it proved to be quite reliable (and very LOUD). Accuracy was acceptable for a combat pistol. Recoil was mild.
For comparison, here is an unaltered TT-33 Tokarev, complete with blood pitting, made at the Izhevsk Arsenal in Russia in 1945. I believe this was a battlefield pickup.
John
On the range, it proved to be quite reliable (and very LOUD). Accuracy was acceptable for a combat pistol. Recoil was mild.
For comparison, here is an unaltered TT-33 Tokarev, complete with blood pitting, made at the Izhevsk Arsenal in Russia in 1945. I believe this was a battlefield pickup.
John
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Just read a new book on collecting Tokarevs, put out by Mowbray. Forget the authors name. I enjoyed it and learned a lot. I have a Romanian, too.
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Has anybody ever seen or heard of a Tokarev with Finnish capture marks?
Engine49guy
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I currently own a CZ52 and a Polish TT33 IIRC made by the Radom factory in 1955,
Both are neat guns.
Had a Chinese TT33 chambered in 9mm as well as one brought back from Korea al...
(Also had a Mauser broomhandle years ago)
All were neat guns
Both are neat guns.
Had a Chinese TT33 chambered in 9mm as well as one brought back from Korea al...
(Also had a Mauser broomhandle years ago)
All were neat guns
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