Secret Service Protection with a serious question

biku324 said:
Actually, you could.

In 2017, then-President Trump visited the Philippines. There his security detail was Secret Service, some Diplomatic Security from the Embassy, and the Philippine National Police (most had no radios). The dignitary protection system for Trump there was exactly as it was in the every US jurisdiction I've worked where there was a Presidential or Presidential candidate or Vice-Presidential event.

Real-world events aren't movies or media.
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Since you say you worked "where there was a Presidential or Presidential candidate or Vice-Presidential event" I'll ask again:

How do you think the kid knew that that rooftop offered a clear line of sight to the stage, was unguarded and was climbable? How?

I know I'm not the only one questioning the government approved narrative.
 
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I don’t know what level of SS protection retired a POTUS gets, but I’d bet the local Boy Scout troop could have done a better job. A nerd walked right into a seemingly secured area with a rifle and climbed on to the roof of a building 150 yds from the stage, really!? Dude had some big plums.
 
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As to the reason it took time to remove Trump from the stage, they were waiting for word about the shooter. On Trump's open mic you can hear another agent report "shooter down, shooter down," then the guys with Trump saying "okay, are we ready? Let's go, let's go!" There was more than just their bodies shielding him on the stage. Part of the red white and blue banner behind him and possibly other items like the podium, were armored, so center stage wasn't the worst place to hunker down. Surely the scenario had been rehearsed prior to Saturday.
The guys and gals on the stage with Trump did their jobs as best they could, but the failure to cover those roofs, even with drones, will be remembered as a colossal screw-up that cost a good man his life, and almost resulted in the death of a former President and current candidate for the office. Heads should roll.
 
Bullet Bob said:
Protection for former President's wasn't enacted until 1965. It expanded to their widows in 1968.

After leaving office, President Harry Truman and his wife took a long road trip by automobile with no protection, or other assistance, as documented in the book "Harry Truman's Excellent Adventure". Harry had been the target of an assassination attempt in 1950 by two Puerto Rican pro-independence "activists".
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You guys need to dust off the movie "Guarding Tess" from 1994 with Nicolas Cage and Shirley MacLaine.
 
Bullet Bob said:
Truman was given a Chiefs Special, but he was a long time gun owner and hunter before that, as was his father.

As an example, when he was discharged as a Captain after WW I, he brought home a 1911 , and a 1917.
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Truman was the first President to get a Presidential Retirement since he was broke.

The Former Presidents Act of 1958 was created/done for Truman.

If you google the poorest President he is on the top of the list followed closely by Wilson.
 
When DEI matters more than the protection there is a problem. Women are fine officers in most situations. They are fine service members in most situations. There are some situations where they are not equal. Seal Teams, Special Forces, Long Range Recon (LURPS), various Government protective agencies and assault teams, and many other forces are areas where the ladies just do not qualify. I don't care how "woke" you are, there are just some things the girls can't do well enough, especially if you've got a fat roll that prevents you from re-holstering a pistol. (fat guys need not apply for this either.)
 
Ματθιας;142033594 said:
I'll ask again:

How did the kid know that that rooftop offered a clear line of sight to the stage, was unguarded and was climbable? How? Was he that smart, that good of a planner?

I can't be the only one questioning the government approved narrative.
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I've watched videos of people telling the police there was a guy on the roof with a gun. There are even videos a couple people took of the shooter on the roof before she started shooting.
 
charlie sherrill said:
When DEI matters more than the protection there is a problem. Women are fine officers in most situations. They are fine service members in most situations. There are some situations where they are not equal. Seal Teams, Special Forces, Long Range Recon (LURPS), various Government protective agencies and assault teams, and many other forces are areas where the ladies just do not qualify. I don't care how "woke" you are, there are just some things the girls can't do well enough, especially if you've got a fat roll that prevents you from re-holstering a pistol. (fat guys need not apply for this either.)
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I've not seen any women playing in the NFL yet. If DEI is so important...I wonder why their aren't any?
 
charlie sherrill said:
When DEI matters more than the protection there is a problem. Women are fine officers in most situations. They are fine service members in most situations. There are some situations where they are not equal. Seal Teams, Special Forces, Long Range Recon (LURPS), various Government protective agencies and assault teams, and many other forces are areas where the ladies just do not qualify. I don't care how "woke" you are, there are just some things the girls can't do well enough, especially if you've got a fat roll that prevents you from re-holstering a pistol. (fat guys need not apply for this either.)
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You do realize the protectee decides if someone needs to go from his/her detail?
 
Have hesitated replying since my experience with former presidents goes back to the late 1980s. Experience with some former foreign heads of state also. I was chief of small campus department when Jimmy Carter came and a couple years later Gerald Ford. Both events inside and crowd of around 2500. Basics seem pretty much same. A combination of local, state, federal agencies. Sweep and secure. Concentric rings of security. Plans laid out and posts assigned. Exterior perimeter cover by local and campus authorities. Federal officers from local offices ( ATF, SS, FBI) supplemented the detail SS. Armed officers in plain clothes were easily identified by all. We knew where everyone was - uniformed and plain clothes alike. Communications between various agencies had to be relayed at times.

As has been said lots of moving parts. Since what I have posted is common knowledge I caution former LEOs not to post sensitive information about security information.
 
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A couple of points that I thought were interesting, only one of the SS agents were from Trump's regular bunch, the rest were subs. The building the shooter used was also the building that local cops were using for staging.
 
I'd be really hesitant to criticize the close in detail and most of the work of the Secret Service. You could not get me to do it, and they train to do such. Given the multiple tasks they were doing (getting Trump out of the line of fire, checking for other injuries, etc., AND the fact that it is really hard to control a politician who wants to respond to such an event, ) I'm pretty impressed.

OTOH, since counter-sniper is not my lane, I am hesitant to assign specific blame about the failure to control that high ground building, even with the lower level of resources for a retired President as opposed to a nominee - but I am pretty sure there was a very large error. If in fact a local LEO had eyes on the shooter beforehand and backed off instead of immediately shooting him, that is as likely a result of de-training due to the bogus discourse about policing as anything else.

A stupid conspiracy involving Government figures is far less likely than the simple truth of too many uncontrolled points of friction creating errors. There are lessons here, but they are probably subtle.
 
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