SIG P320 Discharges?

I had 3 at one time and got rid of all of them even though I liked them very much.

I would not hire someone accused multiple times of rape, even if never convicted, to watch my family. Why? Because there are many many people out there with nothing like this hanging over their heads. If I hire them and they so much as look at someone sideways I will be brought into question as to why I would hire them to begin with.

Likewise, why would I carry something that has so many “accusations” of firing by themselves when there are so many other EXCELLENT choices out there? I don’t want to have to use it to defend myself or even for recreation, and then have to PROVE in some way that I really did intend to pull that trigger and not that it was all an accident that was my fault for choosing a gun with such a history? Surely, I was either negligent or deliberately acting against better judgement.

I can’t say I did not know about the accusations.

True or not, that scenario could happen. There are many ways this could happen but most of them do not have a simple solution to eliminate.

So…. One way to keep that particular problem from happening with a P320. Don’t have one.

Is that not just common sense? Yeah it would be a pity if none of these cases are legit, but whether they are or not, I know about it and there is no proof either way. So, why would any responsible common sense person CHOOSE to take that chance?.

It would be different if it was the only thing avaialble and my ability to remain free with the resources to care for my family are more important to me than SIG’s reputation.

Use you head. Make your own decision. Just don’t try to convince me I am wrong, because I am not.
 
R_P_K_ said:
All of the military versions have the manual safety, maybe that could make a difference
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What a I have read is many of the accidental discharges were due to something depressing the trigger. Since no manual safety, I would only carry a p320 in a holster that completely covers the trigger and not carry in in a bag or pocket.
 
Damn! I'm on the Sig forum. This pops up all the time. Now it's on this forum. If you want to know about Smiths, be on this forum. Want to know about Colts, get on Colt forums. Want to know about Sigs...
 
Kimberpross said:
What a I have read is many of the accidental discharges were due to something depressing the trigger. Since no manual safety, I would only carry a p320 in a holster that completely covers the trigger and not carry in in a bag or pocket.
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There was a ND last week of a gun in its holster. The owner's hand was no where near it, according to the report.

I first thought it was horse manure when these reports came out. But after watching the video of that abomination of a firing pin assembly, I easily believe it.

Still love the hammer-fired models though.
 
It must be a really big rock the OP lives under to have missed this debate over the last couple of years.
 
This “going off by itself” thing is now in play in court in Jefferson County, Colorado. A teenager was shot in the face by a property owner after a trespassing incident. Lots of recent stories about the latest filings out there if one wants to search.
 
biku324 said:
I seldom paid much attention to SIGs until a contract I was working in Mogadishu 'loaned' a couple of hundred M-11s (P229) to specialized units of the Somali Federal Police Force. The pistols were fine except 2 that were inoperable out of the box and were replaced.

I just noticed today that there is some controversy over the SIG P320 that has agencies divesting themselves of the sidearm - here's one example from a news report:

"Shortly after dark one day in September 2022, police officers Yang Lee and Charles Laskey-Castle arrived on Milwaukee’s west side to investigate a car abandoned on the sidewalk. Lee knelt to examine the driver’s side floorboard as Laskey-Castle stood behind him. Then Lee rose — and his holstered gun fired a bullet into his partner’s leg.

The shooting was captured on body camera footage, and it was at least the third time in three years that a Milwaukee officer’s SIG Sauer P320 pistol had allegedly fired without a trigger pull, according to lawsuits and police records. The following month, the Milwaukee Police Department moved to replace its P320s with weapons from another manufacturer."

Have I just been asleep? Anyone have factual info? To be clear, I don't intend to buy one, just curious.
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Check the serial number with Sig Sauer - they will fix the issue no charge if your number is one of the ones with the issue.
 
No. They simply replaced the weapons as getting firearms into and out of Somalia takes over a year. We cut the nonfunctional weapons apart to BATFE standards and discarded the pieces at the vendor's direction.
 
The various problems with the P320 have been known since 2017. A couple of people I know and respect on LF first raised some of the issues back then. Sig's attitude is poor, at best. Man years ago, I ordered a 239 with certain features and it was so (messed) up that the dealer rejected it on receipt. That's a clue. I have another now and it seems fine.

I am not an engineer by a long shot, but my suspicion is that there is some kind of tolerance stacking within a poor design. Guns are a serious use issue and tolerating even a small number of hard/impossible to explain problems in a serious use firearm is simply not acceptable. There has been an on-going discussion among WA LE legal advisors about this, and frankly, what I saw was a collection of ignorant (the road to command rarely passes through the range or mat room) and butt hurt Chiefs who did not like being told they were Adam Frank Union in their choices. I am pretty sure that there ways to make Sig pay for replacements, along with other companies willing to step in at much reduced cost. I am in the process of retiring, so the legal issues are no longer mine,, but there is no way in hell I would ratify the use of that platform.

Interestingly, it is my understanding that the 365 does not reflect these issues. No idea why - remember I said I am not an engineer. FWIW, I have heard from other hard use folks that the Army lowered their testing standards to get the Sig instead of relying on the FBI's relatively stringent testing that resulted in buying the Gen 5 Glock. According to friends with military experience, the training and use of handguns outside of SOCOM and a few other places is borderline clown shoes. Handguns are relatively unimportant in military use, and as Lt. Col. Bolgiano said in a video I can no longer find, the only place that is institutionally more afraid of firearms than the military is Disney.

If I were staring to get into handguns today, I would likely go with the M&Ps. I am too heavily into Glocks to change now.
 
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