Need information on WWII German daggers.

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Need information on WWII German daggers. I am disposing of a number of WWII German daggers. I don't know what else to call them, some are bayonets and others look like dirk fighting knives that are hung from the belt. Does anyone of the group know anything about them or a place for information and pricing such as a website or book?
 
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Although I collect militaria, I don't collect German objects, but I see quite a bit of the WWII Nazi daggers being offered at Gunbroker and different military collectible websites. They might be a good starting point to get some ideas of pricing/value.

You might also google "German Dagger", "Nazi Dagger" "WWII Militaria", for potential leads. There is also www.swordforum.com that has a military sword section that is worth checking out. I'm sure, based upon the number of these daggers that were made, there are many knowledgeable collectors there who would be kind enough to help you out with info and ID. Good luck!
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There are literaly dozens of books in print on German WW2 daggers. Any of the bigger collector book dealers, or Amazon.com, can list oodles of authors and books, many who have current price guides. Fakes, replicas and copies abound, so be sure you can authenticate what you are selling tooget the best prices. Many of the manufactureres in Germany did not quit making daggers when the war was over, as they quickly found out the occupation troops were better customers than the Nazis! Those daggers are exact copies of the WW2 production, in most instances, but are copies never the less, not the original wartime articles. Small items affect value, like hangers, knots in the decorative silver wire, springs in the clips, tips on the scabbards, etc. Condition is the key to value, scarcity is next, and provable provnance is 3rd. However, if you have Hitler's personal dagger, it can be rusty but is still worth more than the winnning lottery ticket! I once bought a nice short sword type heavy dagger at an estate sale of a WW2 vet. It was gold plated with jewels in the hilt and scabbard, and a heavy silver hanger chain, obviously the former property of a top Nazi. Research proved it to have been Herman Goering's personal dagger! Turned out the GI had been in the unit that captured Goering's hunting lodge and he liberated the dagger and some of Herman's uniforms. The estate's executor had donated the vet's uniforms andclothing and the Goering uniforms to the local thrift shop, not realizing what they were.
 
The funny thing about the daggers issued by National Socialist Germany is that, like sidearms they were not ever purely symbolic tokens of rank but were made for actual use in - in the case of daggers - hand-to-hand combat. Even the Hitlerjugend boy's knife was made not just for whittling but the boys were specificlly instructed in its use for killing. Say what you will about the Nazis, and they were not good people, but they did not wste an ounce of good steel.
 
Originally posted by USAFSPOI:
The funny thing about the daggers issued by National Socialist Germany is that, like sidearms they were not ever purely symbolic tokens of rank but were made for actual use in - in the case of daggers - hand-to-hand combat. Even the Hitlerjugend boy's knife was made not just for whittling but the boys were specificlly instructed in its use for killing. Say what you will about the Nazis, and they were not good people, but they did not wste an ounce of good steel.


Can you provide an authoritative source for your comment that these dress daggers were intended for or actually used in combat?

The Germans did issue a number of fighting knives, but I've never read or heard of a dress dagger being used in that role. I have never seen one on a German soldier at the front, either, and I have seen MANY war photos. The combat knife, nahkampfmesser if I spelled that right, is sometmes seen. One well known example shows an SS soldier with one clipped onto his coat. He has a belt of machinegun ammo draped on him and he's holding a Browning 9mm pistol, during the Battle of the Bulge. He looks to have been a thoroughly tough customer.Many of you have probably seen that photo.

That sort of knife was the German equivalent to the US M-3 Trench Knife, the Marine Ka-Bar, or the British Fairbairn-Sykes dagger. These were all meant to be used in battle, and definitely were. So were the Ghurka khukris.

If you can confirm the remark about Hitler Jugend being instructed in use of combat knives, that would also be of interest.

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Vrichard, RE the third knife down, last summer the news ran a story about an attempted home invasion in Cleveland.

The intended target was a 90 year old woman in a deteriorated neighborhood. When the two teens broke down her front door she held one at knife point and made the other call 911.

The knife the news showed her holding was very similar to the one in your picture, which I believe the news incorrectly identified as a switchblade.

The reporter asked where she got the knife. She said she was a US Army nurse in England during WW2 and the knife was given to her by her boyfriend. As the neighborhood went down hill she took to carrying the knife in here apron pocket.
 
walnutred, The knife is a German Paratrooper
gravity knife.(3rd. one down)It is from W W 2.
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I simply meant that the daggers were sturdily and well made and sharp. I saw a purported SS dress dagger on sale at a gun show and noticed that the blade seemed to be just a flat piece of sheet metal, albeit with the "Meine Here heisst Treue" engraving. The seller explained that since these daggers were "just for the show" they were not made with thick, high-quality blades. In fact the SS/SA and Army and Luftwaffe daggers were of sufficient quality to be used in an actual fight, they were not stamped from pot metal as a symbol and were well ant tightly built. And no, I did not buy the dagger.
As to the HJ Knife, an elderly shop owner I know was in the Hitler Youth and the older boys, says he, were trained in hand-to-hand combat and they were all told their daggers were to be used "In defense of the Reich, the Volk and the Blood".
 
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