Smith & Wesson bringing back no internal lock revolvers for 2024?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Well, I’ve mentioned it before but here goes. If S&W must keep a locking device then replace the current one. Put it where the original 5 screw guns had a screw in the front/top of the trigger guard. It would lock the cylinder bolt by turning it in one full turn. Get rid of the side mounted screw, hammer parts and unsightly laser marking for it. The lock screw could have a ball detent to ensure locking. Don’t laser mark the frame with the “safe arrow”, put it on the screw. It would solve both legal and esthetic issues and should be cheaper to do for the bean counters. It would also be easier to remove if desired by the owner.
 
This discussion seems based upon a presumption that S&W actually care about revolvers.
Probably a miniscule amount of their total production.
Most not worthy of any significant investment at this point.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Amp
Locks aside, you seem to be asking S&W to alter their current philosophy (We will be successful if we build our products at the lowest possible cost.) to that which prevailed for their first 100 years (We will be successful if we build the best possible product for the price.).

Will they/Could they do that?

Most certainly, starting shortly after you give them a reason to do that. They'll damn sure do something when they take notice their stuff isn't selling.

Are they aware of all your fussing and fuming? Of course---but that's not enough.

Then too, consider the sales volume of their autoloaders. Is that enough to keep them happy? I don't know either, but then again, I no longer care---haven't cared for a good long time.

Ralph Tremaine
 
This discussion seems based upon a presumption that S&W actually care about revolvers.
Probably a miniscule amount of their total production.
Most not worthy of any significant investment at this point.

I sadly have to agree, though with 3” pythons selling briskly you’d think S&W would get a clue and do a run of 3” K frames!
 
I can only hope that S&W comes to their senses someday, ditches the locks, and pays more attention to quality control. If they opt to delete the locks this year, my biggest concern would be getting approved for enough loan money to purchase one of every wheelgun in the catalog. :D
 
IL ness

That is a genie that would be hard to put back in the bottle. A move like that would be highly criticized by the anti's and hard to defend. I can see the headlines now "S&W to Remove Safety From Firearms" it will go on to lament about how many children will be killed as a result of their soulless pursuit of profit and how they bent to the will of the extremist gun culture.

Stranger things have happened but hard to eliminate "safety measures" once they are standard.

Absolutely correct. In today's climate there is no way S&W will assume the liability of removing a "safety" feature on a firearm. It 'aint gonna happen folks.
 
Absolutely correct. In today's climate there is no way S&W will assume the liability of removing a "safety" feature on a firearm. It 'aint gonna happen folks.

They could mark them all LE Only.That has no meaning when selling, but would gaslight the gaslighter’s! That is basically what they say when asked why some models don’t have the lock.

I think sometimes as a firearms company, you have to bend to what your paying customers want.
 
Competition is less of a motivating factor than lack of sales. No sales, no money to pay the decision makers equals a change of theology.

But... for that to happen peeps have to STOP BUYING lock models. It's that simple.
 
model 60 ND no lock
model 63 ND no lock
model 67-1 no lock
model 686-1 no lock
model 15-3 no lock
model 4506-1 no lock

All purchased within the last year or so.
There are plenty of no-lock revolvers out there if you look for them. All purchased at or below what a current production model would cost. I don't worry about the lock failing because I don't own any.
 
model 60 ND no lock
model 63 ND no lock
model 67-1 no lock
model 686-1 no lock
model 15-3 no lock
model 4506-1 no lock

All purchased within the last year or so.
There are plenty of no-lock revolvers out there if you look for them. All purchased at or below what a current production model would cost. I don't worry about the lock failing because I don't own any.
Also some current production models with NO lock: 340 M&P, 640 Pro, 442 no lock...
(actually, WHY is it that S&W makes a few with NO lock?? And, are they only J-frames?)
 
But... for that to happen peeps have to STOP BUYING lock models. It's that simple.

If people stop buying lock models that will mean they will basically sell no revolvers. At that point they will assume the revolver market no longer exists and stop making revolvers all together.
 
I bought two with locks this year, a 640 and a 642. Plugged them both. But I still got a padlock with the revolvers. Does this make them twice as safe?
 
I don't care. I still wouldn't buy one. It wouldn't improve their quality control. The lock has never been an issue for me. I have a 625-8 with a lock.
 
Colt Alternative

Personally I see S&W never discontinuing
the “child safety”. It’s got to be a Patent
issue, contract/retooling issue, or S&W is
just stupid.

Like I’ve said before, “the next phase of
collecting S&W revolvers is the one’s with
the unique safety on them”.

For me it’s not a deal breaker, plus the New
Česká zbrojovka / Colt’s are really nice. It’s
just a matter of time before my money goes
to Colt.
 
There is some history of other gun companies incorporating a key lock built into the gun and discontinuing it. The two companies that come to mind are Remington and Sako. Both incorporated a key lock into the bolt cocking piece of their rifles: Remington 700 and Sako 75. Remington called it the “J-Lock.” It was introduced in 2002 and phased out in 2005. Sako briefly introduced a similar type key lock around the same time frame and discontinued it as well. Apparently, consumers did not like these internal locks.

Anyhow, there is some history of other gun companies implementing and subsequently discontinuing an internal key lock.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Back
Top