Does anyone have a good source for the mechanics of the trigger on an M&P 45? I'm still nervous about carrying one in the chamber and I would like to make sure I understand the trigger operation. On www.defensivecarry.com, almost everyone there is advocating carrying one in the chamber and understanding the mechanics.
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Carrying in Chamber--M&P 45
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Does anyone have a good source for the mechanics of the trigger on an M&P 45? I'm still nervous about carrying one in the chamber and I would like to make sure I understand the trigger operation. On www.defensivecarry.com, almost everyone there is advocating carrying one in the chamber and understanding the mechanics.
gmchenry
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If you keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire, you'll be fine. The striker is blocked until the trigger is pulled to the rear, so you can drop it, beat it with a hammer, etc. and it won't fire.
Field strip your M&P. You'll see a hump on the trigger bar that corresponds to the plunger on the underside of the slide. Unless that plunger is pushed up and the sear disengages the striker, no bang for you.
Field strip your M&P. You'll see a hump on the trigger bar that corresponds to the plunger on the underside of the slide. Unless that plunger is pushed up and the sear disengages the striker, no bang for you.
Matt Murphy
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I was a deputy for 14 years and we always carried one round in the chamber. We also had very secure holsters where nothing could inadvertantly pull the trigger. No matter what kind of gun it is, you don't pull the trigger unless you want it to go boom. If you're not comfortable with a round chambered, don't carry it that way. Only takes a second to chamber one.
Thanks gmchenry and Matt Murphy. I think once I follow gjchenry's advice and see how my gun operates I'll probably feel more comfortable. So many people on defensivecarry.com seem to think racking the slide takes way too much time in a self defense scenario.
gmchenry
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It's up to you. If you're not comfortable carrying with one in the pipe, carry in condition 3 and rack the slide. Me, I'm ready to go, don't want to make an announcement that the shooting is about to begin by racking the slide, and I'm comfortable with that. Chances are good that we may never have to draw our weapon in self-defense, but we don't leave it to chance. Whatever helps you sleep at night. It's a free country.
Ogandydancer
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Nayway just my 2 cents worth.
Spotteddog
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Downside of condition 3 carry is, it takes BOTH hands to get it into action. Depending on how things unfold, you may be extremely busy with one of them?
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Once the slide is racked 2 things happen, the striker is set to the rear against the sear and is efectively "cocked" and reay to fire. what prevents it from being capable of firing is the firing pin block in the slide, that blocks the forward movement of the firing pin(stiker assy). Before the gun can fire the FPB plunger HAS to be depressed(pushed up by the trigger bar hump) so the firing pin can move forward and fire the round.
Basically the only way an MP can fire is if the trigger is pulled, causing the two events described above to occurr in sequence.
If you think about it the MP really is a single action design because the gun has to be "cocked"(rack the slide) to fire manually. There is no double action sequence where the trigger pull actually "cocks" the gun making it fire.
Basically the only way an MP can fire is if the trigger is pulled, causing the two events described above to occurr in sequence.
If you think about it the MP really is a single action design because the gun has to be "cocked"(rack the slide) to fire manually. There is no double action sequence where the trigger pull actually "cocks" the gun making it fire.
Golddog
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So everyone here will guarantee that the gun won't fire without a finger on the trigger? That errant clothing or a thumb snap can't grab it?
dennis40x
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Improper handling procedures are problematic. If the individual is not up to the task they’d best reconsider their weapon selection. Personally I have no problems with as an example Glock with a round chambered for CCW. Others have had problems.
It sounds like you already own the gun. If you don't, then consider looking for a handgun that allows you to carry with a round chambered, hammer down, and thumb safety engaged.
I personally have no problem with carrying an M&P with a round chambered but I understand some people are reluctant to do so.
I personally have no problem with carrying an M&P with a round chambered but I understand some people are reluctant to do so.
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That is really a silly statement. Sorry, but it is readily apparent to everyone that the pistol does not have a brain as it is a mechanical instrument.
Thus, the pistol does not KNOW it is not supposed to fire if the trigger gets pulled back by something else besides the shooter's or owner's finger.
Perhaps in the strange mind of a gun control person, a pistol SHOULD be able to discern whether the trigger is operated by a person or object, and whether the operation of the trigger is intentional or accidental, but we are not at that stage yet.
Summary: If you do not want it to fire, whether revolver or pistol, of any type, DO NOT pull the trigger yourself and do not allow the trigger to get pulled by anyone or anything else. Period.
OK folks. Obviously carrying a weapon is not guarantied to be 100% safe. I understand the logic behind the reaction time with having to rack the slide. I need to just start carrying that way and I suppose I'll start to feel more comfortable. I've only been carrying for about 8 months and I can remember the first time I carried. I was nervous as heck. Now I am completely comfortable carrying without one in the pipe. I read a post on another site about the three rules of gun safety. 1. Keep your finger off the trigger. 2. Keep your D*&^ finger off the trigger. 3. Keep your D*&^ finger off the D(*& trigger.
Thanks for all your input.
Thanks for all your input.
cxm
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Unfortunately the time needed to rack a slide is enough time for someone to kill you... the difference between winning a gun fight and losing it...
If you have to rack the slide in a hurry... like when someone wants to kill you) and you mess up you will create a jam... and the start (and also probably the end for the guy with the jam)of a gun fight is a really bad time to have a jam. IMHO it is really foolish to add the risk of a jam to a slow deployment of a gun.
The guy who can fire the first shot in a gun fight has an excellent chance of winning...
A loaded chamber is not only safe on any quality gun, it is also smart...
FWIW
Chuck
If you have to rack the slide in a hurry... like when someone wants to kill you) and you mess up you will create a jam... and the start (and also probably the end for the guy with the jam)of a gun fight is a really bad time to have a jam. IMHO it is really foolish to add the risk of a jam to a slow deployment of a gun.
The guy who can fire the first shot in a gun fight has an excellent chance of winning...
A loaded chamber is not only safe on any quality gun, it is also smart...
FWIW
Chuck
I recommend using a holster that completly covers the trigger so nothing can snag the trigger. You should also practice drawing keeping your finger out of the tigger guard until you are on target. Also participating in some IDPA matches will make this natural.
David Hineline
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Definatly carry chambered, the most likely time for a feed malfunction is on a stress induced fumbled slide rack.
M+Ps can be had with an external safety for those so inclined. Just buy that gun if it makes you more comfortable.
It is one step more ready to shoot than a Glock on a Glock the striker is not cocked when loaded, the M+P is fully cocked.
M+Ps can be had with an external safety for those so inclined. Just buy that gun if it makes you more comfortable.
It is one step more ready to shoot than a Glock on a Glock the striker is not cocked when loaded, the M+P is fully cocked.
gmchenry
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The Glock isn't "one step" less ready than the M&P. Their actions are slightly different but they're both initiated by the trigger squeeze.
gmchenry
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Sure there is, death and taxes.
