1.4 Billion, yes billion rounds ordered and ordering more

[mjr]

I think its a case of one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing.

Or in other words, government work.

 

[RWJ]

You might want to remember that OTHER agencies can, and do, piggyback on existing contracts, to get the same price/rates.

Case in point: When the S&W 1076's were returned to the factory, the Bureau (and some others) piggybacked on the existing DEA contract with Sig, as all the basic procurement work had been done. They subsequently had to do the whole RFP and bid process when they went to the Glock. From a manufacturing standpoint, the amount that may be required over the term allows for better component and materials contracts. Federal Procurement is a complex myriad of procedures that takes years to understand.

Taking bits of information and putting them in context of the whole may yield a different understanding.

 

[mjr]

... the point was what possibility/scenario are they envisioning that requires that many rounds.....?

Possibly they envision widespread civil unrest and rioting if either of the two main candidates wins the election.

 

[Nedroe]

Civil Unrest......

it is. We are the intended targets. They are gonna pull some national emergency stuff & come door to door for our weapons. BUY ALL THE AMMO YOU CAN GET!!!!

A fed I know told me of the riots after the election scenario 2 weeks ago. A military contact told me to stay real close to home on Sept. 27th, lest you may not get back there. I need a day off anyway, the 27th it is.

Ned

 

[Rule3]

The number of people under Homeland Security umbrella has already been addressed above and it's still an inordinate amount of rounds per person.

I was only hinting at the over redundancy of redundancy departments.

We also have TSA and FEMA!!

Reminds me of an old X Files where Martin Landau was an informant and he was talking about the most powerful agency in the Govt. FEMA. They have all the money.!!

In my past life I got to see them in "action" after several major Hurricanes. Very very sad indeed!

 

[Biginge]

I wonder if they bought Tula?

Regards

Bill

 

[Engineer1911]

If you think FEMA is pitiful, go to an airport entry point and watch TSA in action -- now that's a confidence builder.

 

[COL Jagdog]

No one said anything about "they" getting anyone, the point was what possibility/scenario are they envisioning that requires that many rounds.....?

If 1.4 billion Chinese cross over from Mexico, and we shoot very accurately, it would apear that we can, in fact, defend the border

 

[GatorFarmer]

it is. We are the intended targets. They are gonna pull some national emergency stuff & come door to door for our weapons. BUY ALL THE AMMO YOU CAN GET!!!!
A fed I know told me of the riots after the election scenario 2 weeks ago. A military contact told me to stay real close to home on Sept. 27th, lest you may not get back there. I need a day off anyway, the 27th it is.
Ned

I thought that thebl reptoid fleet didn't arrive until December....

Anyway I live on a military base. They would have to be stockpiling vaccines and even food well in advance of a coup. That is not going on. There is a lot that goes into a deployment. The total ability to rapidly deploy a military force is limited to some SOCOM assets, a ready brigade of the 82 nd and whatever Marines can be had from the nearest MEU.

The entire combat power of the US military was not able to secure Iraq and Afghanistan. A very large percent of the fighting strength is still there. It would require very large forces to secure even a single state let alone the whole country.

 

[DOOMSDAY TACTICAL]

it is. We are the intended targets. They are gonna pull some national emergency stuff & come door to door for our weapons. BUY ALL THE AMMO YOU CAN GET!!!!

A fed I know told me of the riots after the election scenario 2 weeks ago. A military contact told me to stay real close to home on Sept. 27th, lest you may not get back there. I need a day off anyway, the 27th it is.

Ned

What did he say the 27th is suppose to be?

 

[LouisianaJoe]

What did he say the 27th is suppose to be?

The day after Yom Kippur

 

[JeepLvr]

There is always an "explanation," and then there is the truth.

Agreed. I used to work in the DOD contract arena. This type of stuff is very suspicious.

 

[roarindan]

ok,,,heres the poop!!!! the 27th is when Israel is gonna start with Iran,..

 

[Biginge]

Word has it that Sal is going to buy a Model 27 on the 27th.

Regards

Bill

 

[ladyT]

Homeland Security has a slew of guntoters - Customs and Border Protection, ICE, the Secret Service, TSA, and I"m pretty sure the Coast Guard and some other odds and ends. They also run FLETC, which I'm sure requires trainloads of ammo.

As Gatorfarmer says, these are multi-year contracts and are open-ended, meaning the numbers sited are the max, not the amount actually delivered.

I'm not under Homeland Security, but I am allotted 1,000 rounds per year for my primary handgun (4 quals a year), plus I have to qualify twice a year on my backup handgun, twice a year on my MP-5, and once a year on both the M4 and the 870. I'm also supposed to be getting a .308, which will require plenty of ammo for the initial course and then regular quals with that.

I'm not even SWAT, those guys probably burn twice the ammo I do.

Multiply that by 14,000 guys, then by 4 for a typical multi-year ammo contract. Your tax dollars at work. Then you can add in the academy - each trainee burns about 10,000 rounds of combined pistol, subgun, rifle, and shotgun ammo. There are always multiple classes going through. Thats for ONE agency.

A billion rounds here, a billion rounds there. Pretty soon you're talking about lots of ammo.

And as stated before other ahencies piggy back on this contravt to get better pricing. Its a common procurement tactic used by government agencies at all levels of government from villiage to national gov agencies .

 

[GatorFarmer]

The Iran thing was already handled for now. Power lines to the centrifuges were blown up by spec ops to delay the programs.

 

[venomballistics]

I've done the math, obviously that makes one of us.

There are 230,000 Homeland Security Employees, not agents employees, even using that number, that's roughly 7000 rounds per person.....and I would guess the number of field agents is probably 25% of the employee force. That's 28,000 rounds per agent. So your explanation...Fails....using either number.

closer explanation might be a government test of the old adage " there is some ammo and there is no ammo, but there is never enough ammo"
guess it might need some revision

 

[COL Jagdog]

The Iran thing was already handled for now. Power lines to the centrifuges were blown up by spec ops to delay the programs.

And the Stuxnet program did a significant amount of damage to the centrifuge array as well.

 

[LouisianaJoe]

They have some other new toys also:

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