1st Model Triplelock's in .455 - What are they selling for these days??

Tom,

I believe the stocks are original to your gun # 4172.

As is the case many times, 100 year old penciled serial #s on the back of the right stock tend to show up better in a photo. When I zoom in and study the back of the right stock in one of your last photos, I clearly see a 2 written horizontally across the top and in the last position of a 4 digit #.

Perhaps a close up photo would help even more. Finding the penciled serial number is made much easier using The Gimps threshold tool.
 
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Has anyone recently purchased or sold a .455 chambered 1st Model Triplelock in original condition and could share how much they paid/sold it for?? GunBroker is not a reliable source, and these do not pop up often.

I have someone interested in a possible trade for mine and I am not up to speed on these......

Here are a few photos....it is 100% original and has not been modified in any way. It has some light freckling, but remember, this is a battle weapon who knows where it's been! The bore and cylinders are excellent.....but need a cleaning.

Thanks!


Read your post again. You said "cylinders." But the gun still has just one "bore."

I'm not here to sugar coat your desire for a high price. I'm here to call it as I see it, honestly. And for the benefit of all interested.

I hope I can do that without incurring sarcasm and enmity on the part of those who ask for my free opinion, which it took me some time to offer.

I do wish you good fortune in getting the gun together with someone who understands its true condition and wants it, anyway.
 
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The OP's gun is quite rough by my standards, and I'd simply not buy it at all. I think that if he gets even a $1,000 offer, he should take it.

No, this one is clearly still worth more than a grand, even with condition issues. What can you get for $1,000 these days?
 
Tom,

I believe the stocks are original to your gun # 4172.

As is the case many times, 100 year old penciled serial #s on the back of the right stock tend to show up better in a photo. When I zoom in and study the back of the right stock in one of your last photos, I clearly see a 2 written horizontally across the top and in the last position of a 4 digit #.

Perhaps a close up photo would help even more. Finding the penciled serial number is made much easier using The Gimps threshold tool.

Jim, I did as you suggested and low and behold you are correct, the right stock panel is indeed penciled with the #4172.....See photo
 

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Here is some perspective. Hondo's 455 research thread here on the forum with the most interest in all things S&W has only turned up 24 triple locks in 455 of the 6964 that where produced. That is only about 1/3 of 1 percent of those produced. Where the rest? In a 100 years a lot can happen to military arms. Lost at war, plain old lost, destroyed by anti gun governments, hidden and forgotten, rusted into slag, blown up and ruined by various means like fired with barrel obstructions etc, some are out in the wilds of Canada, Australia New Zealand and parts unknown. If there are actually 3000 survivors world wide I would be surprised.

The vast majority of these guns saw military service. Very few went to officers who never wore them. The British didn't have huge numbers of officers who never left an office and kept one in a desk to show off. Most of the triple locks were sent in the beginnings of the war and immediately pressed into real service. Guys spending all day and night in war conditions hardly spend as much time on their revolver as their rifle. Finish loss on them is not very high on their list of immediate concerns.

So the number of the surviving guns with better external condition are not common. The number with good chambers and bores are also uncommon given the ammunition and the conditions these guns were used with and in. Many of them were reamed to accept 45 colt (mine) and some had cylinders faced off to accept 45 acp.

Mine is in better exterior condition, butt has been reamed to 45 colt. I would never sell it for $1000. I doubt your going to find very many functioning triple locks of any kind for less than $1000 unless the seller is uninformed. The list of people that want 455 in original condition may be kind of short, but so is the supply. If one of those is only interested in pristine or 95% or better guns I wish them luck. They are out there and I am sure they are priced accordingly. If they are not interested in anything less thats fine. Even if they do extent their expertise and opinion as to value they will do it with some tact. Most will just leave it alone if they are not interested.

I paid $700 from mine mismarked as a 1917 in a pawn shop wearing 1917 grips and missing the lanyard. $200 for a decent set of correct grips and had the correct type lanyard loop in my parts pile from a 1917 with issues. The fact that it was reamed and slightly recessed bothers me some, but not huge. It is still a great looking triple lock, 45 colt is a great round and it will still fire 455 as they have a larger rim diameter. Have you priced 455 brass or ammo? No way mine is going down the road for less than $1200 and even if offered that I would rathe have the gun sitting in my safe than $1200 to piddle away for something else.
 
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The OP's TL cleaned up really nice.

No way it would sell less than a grand. Put it up for that and I will buy it.

I don't know what it will bring or what he will ask. It will be interesting to watch.

Curl
 
Wow! I would say that cleaned up nicely.
I would have sworn from the one pic that the dirt in the one chamber was pitting. Based on observation of many of these in hand, it really looked that way!
Nice bore, too!
 
The truth is no one knows what this revolver is worth .I mean absolutely 100 percent knows as its all subject to finding the right buyer.If I wanted that gun honestly a couple hundred bucks one way or the other wouldn't matter .Im no expert but I like guns and I have several that tne experts would say I paid way too much for but I have no regrets as I like em .So you decide what you can part with it for and just lime fishing wait till ya get a bite .One last thing ,we are all gun people and mostly revolver fans and as a newer member I would like to request that we all try to be nicer to each other in our responses .i don't know about tne rest of you guys but I get enough sarcasm without it happening here so why don't you guys just man up and appoligize to each other and let's all be brothers in our love for these historic firearms .
 
One question I have would be just how much is documentation and research worth?
My TL is in pretty nice shape and thoroughly researched. I have its history from the time it left S&W in 1914 until today. The documentation is quite extensive and I have been at it over the last 20 years or so.

I figure the gun itself is worth around $1200 +, but what is the research worth??
 
What's this gun worth? Well, listed yesterday evening in the for sale section. About 250 views, interested party said he would take it. Asking price was $1550 shipped. So, presumably brought asking price, or nearly so. So...there's the answer to this thread!
 
Like I said not many around and many knowledgeable S&W guys want a triple lock. I feel lucky to own one. They are a high water mark in the art of making revolvers. Similar to the registered magnums.

I am sure the new owner is happy.
 
Congratulations to both the seller and the buyer!

There's something about a Triple Lock that can't be matched with anything else.

The .455 is a fine cartridge. I have the TL mentioned above and a Second Model .455. Hornady makes brass occasionally. Buffalo Arms has brass listed now. Lyman makes a dandy bullet mould that is a dead ringer for the original Eley bullet.

I think I will take my TL .455 out for a little range time tomorrow.

Again, congratulations!

Curl
 
Yes, I have 100 rds of brass coming from Buffalo arms, a shell holder from another source. Got a mold that throws 456 bullets and will modify 45 colt crimp die. As mentioned my 455 triple lock can fire 45 colts or 455 and I also have a nice 2nd model 455. Big bore fan here.
I suppose 455 kinda ballistically resembles 44 Russians and the 455 is to to 45 colt as the 44 Russian is to the 44 special.
 
Here is some perspective. Hondo's 455 research thread here on the forum with the most interest in all things S&W has only turned up 24 triple locks in 455 of the 6964 that where produced. That is only about 1/3 of 1 percent of those produced. Where the rest? In a 100 years a lot can happen to military arms. Lost at war, plain old lost, destroyed by anti gun governments, hidden and forgotten, rusted into slag, blown up and ruined by various means like fired with barrel obstructions etc, some are out in the wilds of Canada, Australia New Zealand and parts unknown. If there are actually 3000 survivors world wide I would be surprised.

The vast majority of these guns saw military service. Very few went to officers who never wore them. The British didn't have huge numbers of officers who never left an office and kept one in a desk to show off. Most of the triple locks were sent in the beginnings of the war and immediately pressed into real service. Guys spending all day and night in war conditions hardly spend as much time on their revolver as their rifle. Finish loss on them is not very high on their list of immediate concerns.

So the number of the surviving guns with better external condition are not common. The number with good chambers and bores are also uncommon given the ammunition and the conditions these guns were used with and in. Many of them were reamed to accept 45 colt (mine) and some had cylinders faced off to accept 45 acp.

Mine is in better exterior condition, butt has been reamed to 45 colt. I would never sell it for $1000. I doubt your going to find very many functioning triple locks of any kind for less than $1000 unless the seller is uninformed. The list of people that want 455 in original condition may be kind of short, but so is the supply. If one of those is only interested in pristine or 95% or better guns I wish them luck. They are out there and I am sure they are priced accordingly. If they are not interested in anything less thats fine. Even if they do extent their expertise and opinion as to value they will do it with some tact. Most will just leave it alone if they are not interested.

I paid $700 from mine mismarked as a 1917 in a pawn shop wearing 1917 grips and missing the lanyard. $200 for a decent set of correct grips and had the correct type lanyard loop in my parts pile from a 1917 with issues. The fact that it was reamed and slightly recessed bothers me some, but not huge. It is still a great looking triple lock, 45 colt is a great round and it will still fire 455 as they have a larger rim diameter. Have you priced 455 brass or ammo? No way mine is going down the road for less than $1200 and even if offered that I would rathe have the gun sitting in my safe than $1200 to piddle away for something else.

From more European members posting here, I believe there's a bunch still over there.

In my research thread, I still do not have an entry in group 1; the 666 military guns and 146 commercials. I know there's been some posted on this forum, I'll have to search and scan old threads.
 
These were being sold as surplus when I was in high school, for prices like $39.95.

The dealers must have had a fair number to be offering them in ads. Back then, they were just old surplus revolvers chambered for a hard to get cartridge.

Some of those guns are bound to be floating around, just not known to the fervent collector community.

I paid $31.58 for my Second Model in Denver in 1965. It was in NRA Excellent condition. Unfortunately, that's also about the price I got when I had to sell it later when a GI Education Bill check was late and I needed the money. I hope it found a good home.

I'm glad that both seller and buyer of the OP gun are happy with their transaction. :)
 
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Thats what happens with surplus military guns. I remember when I was in HS a local store having a long rack full of Springfields and Enfields for $19.95, take you pick. Various Mausers where selling for similar money. I know my step father bought a bunch of the Enfields and Springfields. Herters sold inlet stocks for around $20. Mill the sights off, cut a couple inches off the muzzle and recrown, take the floor plate frame cut it and reweld it flat, modify the magazine box, heat and bent the bolt handle, cutt the ball off it and turn it around and reweld it, replace the firing mech with a cock on opening and you had a nice 30-06 for low dollars. Everyone of us kids (10 of us) ended up with one of these game getters. I gave my 06 to my oldest son many years ago. I still have my dads. It had a sloppy chamber and he reamed it to 30-338

Now look at the price of a nice stock Enfield or Springfield.

He paid something like $15 for a Remington 1911. LOL. Where lots of those around. Now go try to find a nice one.

The majority of these old surplus guns are gone, modified or laying forgotten in some hiding place and $20 isn't anywhere near what it once was.
 
My first deer rifle was a 1917 Enfield as described above. As I remember it was a Fajen stock.. I think I paid $25.00 for it.
Nice shooting rifle. One time we were shooting at old 78 RPM records and I had one shot that went through the spindle hole in the center.
( More than likely just a complete miss, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it...........:o:p)
 
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