2 Questions RE .380 Ammuntion

Reading this thread (and others like it), I am lead to believe that before the advent of "boutique" ammunition, Bad Guys boldly walked the streets like some Bizarro Supermen, smirking at the wholly ineffective ball ammunition ricocheting off their chests harmlessly as they rampaged and pillaged at will!:rolleyes:
 
Tried reading all the "answers" but fell asleep. I have a thought. I live in West Va and carry a Ruger LCP and as far as I understand the state laws I cannot carry the gun legally with ball ammo. The state requires any concealed carry to be loaded with personal defense hollow points to prevent collateral injury. Remember ball ammo was designed to go "thru" the war fighter and not kill but to injure. It takes four people to take care of a wounded soldier and none to care for a dead one. That is why most states will not allow ball ammo to be used for hunting. Check you states laws is my two cents.

I live in Ohio and sometimes carry over the border. This is the first time I have heard of this. Do you have any legal reference to share?
 
Alternate loading, mix of FMJ & H.P.

I agree with Model15-4ever's post. I carry one of two .380 pistols as they conceal well. The pistol you carry is better than the one you leave at home as it's too big for what you are wearing. Alternate load a FMJ with a similar shaped HP, like the Gold Dot or Golden Saber, which are both getting good press from police departments etc. And be like the Mosad if you are in close enough and can do it, take head shots. I do think a solid wad cutter presenting a large flat meplat has a lot of killing power. Proven well enough on game animals. But, I would not rely on it to feed in a pistol, and would only use it in a revolver.
 
Erich has real credibility regarding this issue.

In his job, he is constantly examining real documented shootings and the results of said shootings.

For all the gelatin fans......how many actual shootings do you have documented knowledge of?

The only guys who have voiced their educated non theoretical
opinions that I am aware of here are Erich and Medxam.

One worked in a long career tracing bullet paths through deceased bodies.

Have fun and enjoy your opinions, but know your very real limitations.

If some take exception to this post......please share the basis of experience
that supports stated opinions. I for one will be very interested in your views.
 
A parallel in hunting big animals...

I think there may be a parallel in hunting big animals. The majority of the professional hunters/guides in South Africa advocate "big and slow is the way to go" and the time I went over there, my P.H. told be to use the toughest constructed bullets available for penetration. The thread Erich gave us here is full of information which makes me rethink even the police department's recommendation of the Gold Dots and the Golden Sabers. But I have read enough reports of ball ammo going around and not doing much damage. The old FBI/Police load of a 158 gr. lead semi-wadcutter in a .38 or .357 is still probably a good load, and should hold a straighter course than ball ammo or lead round nose bullets. The problem of feeding reliability in a pistol may mandate a round nose design. Leaves one in a quandary as to what to load.

One other thing to share. I do have an old I-Frame 2" S&W in .38 S&W, not the .38 Special. The Brits decided in WWII that a 200 gr. bullet in that would work almost as well as there .455 and between that and Veral Smith's writings, I was able to get some cast lead 200 gr. .360 diameter semi-wadcutter bullets to load. I think the velocity is about 650 fps, but in the informal testing I was able to do, they do penetrate. I never felt I was at risk carrying this small revolver, and will need to go back to it. There are companies which will sell a solid wadcutter, often expressed as DBWC for double based wadcutter. The advantage of these, over the hollow base is that they can be loaded stiffer. A large flat leading edge and straight body helps insure straight line penetration. Similar to the type of solids hunters have used on elephants and buffalo for years.
 
FWIW, I have a Colt Mustang I am qualified to carry off duty. I have it for discreet situations. I load it with CorBon ammo.

Not making any recommendation, sharing a little information.

I hope you find this helpful.
 
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