329 PD As Last Resort Alaska Bear Defense

Convinced me that big handguns may be great for hunting but not such a good idea for defending against bear: they're just too quick.

That's my point. If I was hunting bears I'd use a rifle. If I have to stop a charging bear I want to be able to dump rounds downrange fast. If I'm going to lose that fight (likely) I want to give it my best shot (pun intended :) ).

I would never argue against the experience of Elmer Keith but I'm not Elmer Keith. I know what I can shoot fast and reasonably well. A .44 Magnum is not on that list.
 
You guys are over analyzing this. It doesn't matter what caliber revolver/pistol is used if you can't put shots in the butter zone. That being said, in all reality if I'm going to the upper Northwest where I might encounter a large brown/grizzly bear then a Glock G20 should be sufficient. But since I don't own a G20 when I already have a 4" 686, I would just use that. And if 5 shots of 173gr hardcast SWC doesn't do it, then I always have the 6th one for myself. :o
 
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I carried a 329PD as a Backcountry backpacking gun for seven years. Before I bought it I called S&W to ask if it could handle the Garrett and Corbon hunting loads and was told "Yes."

So I did.

"Punishing" is not strong enough for a load like that in such a light gun. You can injure yourself if you don't FIRST learn how to handle the recoil. After I had it for 2 years I put Crimson Trace Hog Hunter grips on mine and had Mag Na Ports bored into it. The ports help. If you don't think so, fire one side-by-side with an unmodified one. [I have an unmodified one, bought as-new from a person who decided he didn't want to risk injury.]
Check out what John Taffin and others say about shooting guns with such heavy recoil. In short, don't try to control it. Let the gun roll and rise or you WILL damage your wrists. I am former military with a lot of time working high-threat close-protection and was always taught to rigidly control recoil for quick follow-up shots. With the PD and heavy loads, even letting it roll I can put two rounds quickly into "minute of charging bear".

Second or third time at the range, the crane broke and the fired shell was jammed in the cylinder. I sent it back to S&W with all info and they repaired it, no charge.

I fired a maximum of six rounds of the heavy loads through it per year, just to be sure it was still zeroed. After five years I sent it to Cylinder and Slide to have their Extreme Duty rear sight with tritium tubes installed and the Ashley Outdoors Big Dot on the front. They also adjusted the sights for my chosen loads, since the rear is fixed.
BUT, before they would work on it, they told me the lockwork was badly worn and it should go back to S&W for rebuild. Again, S&W did it no charge. Tough to argue with that.

Stepping into the holster conversation, I have very strong feelings after seeing dangerous animals on their home turf. I have a custom-made holster for the 29-series S&W revolvers, with a strap over the top.
THEN I was 'packing one of my favorite trails out of Hancock Pass in the Colorado Rockies, and traversing a slope I had long thought would be the perfect place for a cougar to lurk. I saw a blur above me about 50 yards, that streaked down the slope, bounded over the trail and continued on downhill. It was a cougar, and was in sight for a TOTAL of about three seconds. Figure just about two while it was higher than the trail. There is no way I could have drawn in time from that strap-over holster. I went to a Kydex security holster I had for the N-frames. I see at least one person expressing concern that the lock could fail, trapping the gun. I don't know how many security holsters I have had or been issued, but it is a lot, and they were for a broad range of guns from Beretta to Colt to S&W, Sigs and Ruger, and none has ever failed. I have taken "The Short Cut" down the mountain a few times, a**-over-teakettle, and never lost a gun or experienced a holster failure. That's what I've carried ever after. Naturally, the holster gets a detailed inspection and test before I head out.

I had been carrying a Colt Anaconda before I got the 329PD, and went back to it in 2011 (the year after the cougar), alternating with my S&W 29 and 629 Mountain Guns. Since then, I have fired mostly 180-gr and 200-gr handloads through the PD and it is still tight. My hands and wrists simply won't handle the stunning recoil of the 329PD with heavy loads.
 
Since many suggestions have been made, let me add as an FYI that Stephen Herrero wrote in his book, Bear Attacks (Their Causes and Avoidances) that he will not venture into grizzly bear country unless he can carry a rifle. It is a good read. He has a very health respect for black bears as well and helped change my mind about a gun when hiking in black bear country.
 
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And if 5 shots of 173gr hardcast SWC doesn't do it, then I always have the 6th one for myself.

You sound like Rudyard Kipling! :D

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!

Last verse of "The Young British Soldier". Full poem can be found here:

Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: The Young British Soldier

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Groo here
I knew some people who were custom ammo makers in Alaska.
There 329 load [ and feedback said it worked well on bear and moose]
was a 250gr SWC gascheck at about 1100fps.
Said no body ever recovered one.
Remember the shooting with such a gun will be in feet or inches.
Sights are not needed, but you need to be able to shoot one handed.
Heaver boolets and loads are for hunting [ aka many yards away]
defense is up close and personal
 
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I believe I have read this story before elsewhere, (but unfortunately it's hard to tell since so many bear attack stories play out more or less the same) if I recall correctly, it was discovered that the cause of his Ruger jamming was that the ammo had jumped the crimp under recoil and lodged itself between the cylinder and forcing cone, said ammo was some loose handloads he had purchased for lack of anything better, but there have been reports of even factory ammo jumping the crimp under recoil.

That's one reason why I would sooner carry a Revolver chambered in .45 Colt or .44 Magnum than more powerful cartridges since both are easier to control and seemingly don't generate enough recoil to jump the crimp in standard pressure loads.
However, my first choice for bear defense would be a 12 Gauge pump action Shotgun loaded with hardcast slugs. If size and weight is a concern, then there's always the Mossberg 590 Shockwave or Remington TAC-14.
 
i picked up a 329PD a few weeks ago and just installed a Pachmayr Diamond Pro grip today so i have yet to fire it, but i got a tip on this ammo from Buffalo Bore...
 

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I just picked up a very lightly used 325PD. I suspect the previous owner didn't care for the recoil.

60 rounds of Winchester 230-grain ball, while not painful, left me with no doubt I'd shot something.

It also left me with no doubt I would not care to shoot a 300-grain+, full pressure .44 mag from that platform.

The guide who dropped the bear with his Ruger was extremely lucky that his failure to test at least a couple cylinders-full of his bear load didn't cost his life.
 
When hiking in the woods out west, I carry a 3" .44 Magnum with a steel frame (629), and hard-cast semi-wadcutters loaded according to published tables. It's not the most powerful, but hard-cast bullets penetrate without deformation. An alternative is a 4" .44 Magnum "Mountain Gun," which weighs about the same - 46 oz.

After a few rounds at the range with a 25 oz 329, I suspect I'd face a bear wondering if I should shoot or just wait for the bear ;)

My pants want to droop with a revolver at my hip too. A shoulder holster might be the answer, or a tanker rig (cross chest). I wear an Alessi shoulder holster while driving, concealed under a light jacket or vest in cool weather. In the summer, an IWB under an un-tucked shirt. An IWB presses the cylinder against the top of your hip bone, which helps keep it from sagging.
 
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I found bullet setback to be a big issue with my 329 when stepping up to hot loads. Which ever round you choose make sure and test it (with good gloves) and check for setback after each shot. That said, my bear handgun is a 454 Casull with my CP 360 grain WLNGC reloads. I like to think the Casull will be harder on the bears digestive system when he is passing me and my gun.
 
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