3rd Gen Withdrawal Syndrome?
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The problem with NH is its insanely high property taxes.Fine for young, growing families where no sales tax and no income tax can offset the staggering property taxes, but not the place to move to for retired old folks like us.
We really like parts of Northern CT, but we could never afford to live there in a million years. And the craziness about "assault" weapons and magazine limits would mean liquidating more than half of my collection.Not going to happen!
Sadly, our new gov is a RINO who took Bloomberg money to get elected. I don't expect him to do much for our side.
There ya go!You've got the right idea!
Shared misery!
Correct ttsh we are young and at the point where it could be worth making hay in MA for a few years. MA has far more opportunities for work in my field than CT. (Unless I go to the Fairfield county/ nyc commuters-land) I've even had the chance to look at some opportunities in that big brick building on Roosevelt ave, but will likely just keep at it here in CT. I should make it a point to exit New England entirely if I plan a move, rather than play around with incrementalism.
I hope you can find more 3rd gens than you can handle in the future, and also turn on some younger shooters to the classic third gen smiths in your retirement!
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JeepinSoldier
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Gary gave you the short & sweet answer. I'll give you a slightly longer one.
Thanks for the answer. As my wife pines for the place so badly we may have to live there someday. I'm thinking Maine is close enough, but you never know. I am from AZ originally and love CO.
I was an Army recruiter for three years in Maine, and we own a house there that is rented out.
We used to drive to her parents all the time and I would go to the range with my FIL all the time. Id only bring handguns with me and leave the AR's at home because whenever my BIL saw them he would freak out and scream "Those are illegal!"
So my other in laws that liked them would just stay with us in Maine and shoot the evil modern sporting rifles there. Id fire up the Dillon and send them home with some ammo.
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I know this is heresy, but I am just about over my 3rd generation addiction. Just picked up my 4566TSW this week so now my collection looks like this.
1006
3953
4003TSW, 4006 x2, 4043, 4046
5903, 5906, 5946
6906, 6946
4506-1R3, 4566TSW
The only guns I truly want are a 4006TSW, 5906TSW, 3913, maybe a 4013.
So guys, there is a cure, albeit an expensive one.
1006
3953
4003TSW, 4006 x2, 4043, 4046
5903, 5906, 5946
6906, 6946
4506-1R3, 4566TSW
The only guns I truly want are a 4006TSW, 5906TSW, 3913, maybe a 4013.
So guys, there is a cure, albeit an expensive one.
We'll talk again after you get those "last 4 on your list"....LOL bet there will be 4 more on a new list!!!!!!!
Sorry, a 3rd generation addiction is something I can't wrap my head around. I have owned a 6906 (traded it for a M66 2.5) and in 1995 I was issued a 4506 - I despised having to carry that boat anchor. I'd buy another Glock before a S&W auto of any flavor. I can't offer any tangible reason why I don't like them, I just don't. I have the same intangible dislike for the 49ers and Cowboys.
nocents
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that's ok...leaves more for the rest of us
cpeblue
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Sorry, a 3rd generation addiction is something I can't wrap my head around. I have owned a 6906 (traded it for a M66 2.5) and in 1995 I was issued a 4506 - I despised having to carry that boat anchor. I'd buy another Glock before a S&W auto of any flavor. I can't offer any tangible reason why I don't like them, I just don't. I have the same intangible dislike for the 49ers and Cowboys.
That's why there is Chevy, Ford and Dodge. Though I do agree with you about carrying a full size large frame steel pistol, whether it be a 1911 , Smith , or a stainless Sig 220 . I guess that's why they make a 4563tsw and a CS9/40/45 . When that M66 gets to heavy you can trade it for a 340pd it doesn't drag the pocket down.
Sorry, a 3rd generation addiction is something I can't wrap my head around. I have owned a 6906 (traded it for a M66 2.5) and in 1995 I was issued a 4506 - I despised having to carry that boat anchor. I'd buy another Glock before a S&W auto of any flavor. I can't offer any tangible reason why I don't like them, I just don't. I have the same intangible dislike for the 49ers and Cowboys.
So, since you hate 3rd Gens & love blocks, I guess you're only here to stir things up, maybe do a little trolling? I've heard there is a site called blocktalk, so I have to wonder why you are even on this site? Everyone is allowed to their own opinion, But to post just to say you dislike something is just plain rude. As much as I dislike blocks(And I have tangible reasons!) I don't go on their site to express my dislike for them, so why can't you allow others to have their own preferences?
Gary gave you the short & sweet answer. I'll give you a slightly longer one.
That was indeed the short answer and limited to handguns (firearms under MA law). Falsely named "Assault Weapons" are a different law and much bigger risk for gun owners. Possession of those as defined by law, if not "pre ban" is a felony.
Possession of "pre ban" hand guns, which are not on "the list" is not a felony as long as you have a Class A License to Carry.
The actual ban is on transfers through a FFL. If I wanted to sell my 5906 to TTSH, I would have to do it via a FTF transaction as a MA dealer can't do it. The problem with that is MA limits license holders to four FTF sales a year.
Same for the out of state guns brought in when someone moves to MA.
I bought a Bersa from a guy who moved out of state to go to school and brought it back with him when he came back.
We did a FTF transaction, and I now have one of the few Bersa guns in MA. Perfectly legal, but not legal through a FFL.
I did get a strange reaction from the nice lady at Eagle Imports when I called to order some parts. "You live in MA and have a Bersa??????"
The law in MA is very complicated and complex. As of January 1, it will become slightly less so, but still not easy. There will only be one class of License to Carry Firearms, not two. Chiefs will be somewhat accountable for their "suitability" decisions. And more, but I don't want to drift too far away from the original drift. Suffice it to say that it's hard to find 3rd generation guns for sale in MA. I think most of the trade ins are from people who are either giving up their licenses or people "upgrading" to Blocks, M&Ps, Sigs or some other brand of firearm.
Some FFLs know that there is a small cohort of 3rd generation aficionados and price accordingly. Other FFLs take them in and put a price on them to see if anyone is interested.
BTW, I saw a later stainless CS45 listed on a local forum for $400.00 dollars today. Ambi safety/decocker.
Not tempted, but at that price if someone who's been looking for a CS45 comes along it will go fast.
nocents
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That was indeed the short answer and limited to handguns (firearms under MA law). Falsely named "Assault Weapons" are a different law and much bigger risk for gun owners. Possession of those as defined by law, if not "pre ban" is a felony.
Possession of "pre ban" hand guns, which are not on "the list" is not a felony as long as you have a Class A License to Carry.
The actual ban is on transfers through a FFL. If I wanted to sell my 5906 to TTSH, I would have to do it via a FTF transaction as a MA dealer can't do it. The problem with that is MA limits license holders to four FTF sales a year.
Same for the out of state guns brought in when someone moves to MA.
I bought a Bersa from a guy who moved out of state to go to school and brought it back with him when he came back.
We did a FTF transaction, and I now have one of the few Bersa guns in MA. Perfectly legal, but not legal through a FFL.
I did get a strange reaction from the nice lady at Eagle Imports when I called to order some parts. "You live in MA and have a Bersa??????"
The law in MA is very complicated and complex. As of January 1, it will become slightly less so, but still not easy. There will only be one class of License to Carry Firearms, not two. Chiefs will be somewhat accountable for their "suitability" decisions. And more, but I don't want to drift too far away from the original drift. Suffice it to say that it's hard to find 3rd generation guns for sale in MA. I think most of the trade ins are from people who are either giving up their licenses or people "upgrading" to Blocks, M&Ps, Sigs or some other brand of firearm.
Some FFLs know that there is a small cohort of 3rd generation aficionados and price accordingly. Other FFLs take them in and put a price on them to see if anyone is interested.
BTW, I saw a later stainless CS45 listed on a local forum for $400.00 dollars today. Ambi safety/decocker.
Not tempted, but at that price if someone who's been looking for a CS45 comes along it will go fast.
WOW....my sympathies ......just reading about those laws give me a headache
WOW....my sympathies ......just reading about those laws give me a headache
That was the short version. The laws are a lot like Bill Clinton's answers to questions. It all depends on what the definition of is, is.
Seriously, they have two different definitions for "possess". One means to own, but if it's in regards to NFA weapons, possess means "touch".
Funny to hear people talk about MA as being a better place to live & work than where they may be right now.Correct ttsh we are young and at the point where it could be worth making hay in MA for a few years. MA has far more opportunities for work in my field than CT. (Unless I go to the Fairfield county/ nyc commuters-land) I've even had the chance to look at some opportunities in that big brick building on Roosevelt ave, but will likely just keep at it here in CT. I should make it a point to exit New England entirely if I plan a move, rather than play around with incrementalism.
Most of us here in MA just want to escape the madness and go just about anywhere else. And if we were younger with no family ties, we would do just that. But retirement changes everything. Suddenly, your income is just a fraction of what it was before and there are serious tax and cost-of-living considerations that go along with that. Healthcare becomes an issue. Aging parents become an issue. Grandchildren become an issue.
And other than ever-growing healthcare costs, property taxes suddenly become one of the biggest long-term "threats" to your financial well-being. Suddenly, some of the less expensive towns in MA don't seem like such bad places anymore.
Pretty weird, heh? To Hell with the younger shooters!
I tend to encourage all the youngsters I know to go for the new plastic wonders! Hopefully, it leaves more affordable 3rd Gens for little old me! Parts of Maine are closer to the Cape than parts of Western Massachusetts.Thanks for the answer. As my wife pines for the place so badly we may have to live there someday. I'm thinking Maine is close enough, but you never know. I am from AZ originally and love CO.
I was an Army recruiter for three years in Maine, and we own a house there that is rented out.
We used to drive to her parents all the time and I would go to the range with my FIL all the time. Id only bring handguns with me and leave the AR's at home because whenever my BIL saw them he would freak out and scream "Those are illegal!"
So my other in laws that liked them would just stay with us in Maine and shoot the evil modern sporting rifles there. Id fire up the Dillon and send them home with some ammo.
Much of my extended family has moved up to Maine. We haven't ruled out Maine for retirement, but I have this great fear that Maine will be just as bad as MA in most ways within a few short years.
Hope I am wrong about that, but I see no sense in moving there only to find out later that Maine is becoming just like MA... but with even higher winter heating costs! Not a problem at all.Sorry, a 3rd generation addiction is something I can't wrap my head around. I have owned a 6906 (traded it for a M66 2.5) and in 1995 I was issued a 4506 - I despised having to carry that boat anchor. I'd buy another Glock before a S&W auto of any flavor. I can't offer any tangible reason why I don't like them, I just don't. I have the same intangible dislike for the 49ers and Cowboys.
It just leaves more 3rd Gens available for those of us who have decided to collect them. Between me and my wife, we own numerous modern plastic wonders including several Gen 4 Glocks. Sadly, none of the Glocks really do much for me.
If I were carrying daily, it might be a different story. The way I see it, the advantages of plastic guns are: 1) low cost and, b) less weight. Those aren't good enough reasons, by themselves, for me to get excited about collecting more plastic. 
Exactly right!
I'd say that's a pretty damn good 3rd Gen collection... clearly better than mine so far. You've got a 10mm and also my beloved 4506-1. I don't have either yet.
You've also got two TSW models. I have none.
And I would love to find a nice 5903. You've got 14 so far and 3 or 4 more to be added. I've got 9 so far and 1 coming (if you count the 2206 as a 3rd Gen).
I've got you beat for now on CS models and I've got a 3913.
My beloved 4506-1 has got to be the next one on my list or I am gonna go nutz.
After that, things are going to slow down quite a bit. I'd be shocked if I can add any other 3rd Gens to the collection before mid-year without first selling something else. There is only so much of my tired, watered-down old blood that I can sell. When will I be cured?
I have no idea. Sounds like you plan to top out at 17 or 18 3rd Gens. Perhaps I can cure my own addiction at around the same level.
nocents
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My beloved 4506-1 has got to be the next one on my list or I am gonna go nutz.
don't forget a 4516 of any variant
Funny to hear people talk about MA as being a better place to live & work than where they may be right now.
But retirement changes everything. Suddenly, your income is just a fraction of what it was before and there are serious tax and cost-of-living considerations that go along with that. Healthcare becomes an issue. Aging parents become an issue. Grandchildren become an issue.
Suddenly, some of the less expensive towns in MA don't seem like such bad places anymore.
You point out some important issues post retirement. As to the income, looking at the issues, our money will go further outside of the Northeast. My pension is exempt from MA state income tax, and that's one thing we're thinking about when we can locate.
My mother in law is 95 and in great medical condition for her age. Her mind is even better. She's not a burden, but that won't last forever.
My grand kids are 1,200 miles or so away. Both kids and their significant others live in the south.
All of which is to say that everyone has a different calculus in their lives.
To Hell with the younger shooters!
I think there is some validity to this. A lot of newer gun owners aren't what I call "gun people". They see guns as tools for self defense and care about function more than anything else. We all love our 3rd generation guns and do what we can to keep them in good condition. In my case, a 3913TSW is my primary SD carry firearm. I wouldn't recommend that to my friend who has guns, but isn't really all that much interested in guns.
I think that's typical of a lot of newer gun owners. If he wanted a semi auto, I'd probably recommend a M&P 9mm. Or maybe even a Glock or Ruger. Something that is relatively low maintenance and for which parts are plentiful and getting repairs done is easy.
As mentioned above, I've already got a fine example of a 4516-1 with lots of magazines and spare parts.don't forget a 4516 of any variant
On top of that, I found another nice one just the other day. It's more expensive than what I paid for mine and only comes with 2 magazines (and no box), but it's also in great shape! If I win the lottery before it sells, I'm all over it!
Well, first off, you are DAMN fortunate to have a pension.
In my chosen profession, those went away 30+ years ago. Having a pension in retirement changes everything... especially if it is a tax-exempt pension. But you are right. New England is an expensive place to live. Too bad for me that we are more-or-less stuck here. For us, it's just a matter of finding a place in a town and state where we can survive okay without too much of a tax and living cost burden. But as time goes on, our good options seem to be fewer and fewer.
