I've got some SPP brass in .45 ACP and some in 10mm that I keep on hand just in case. I haven't loaded any yet, but it's there if I need it. I keep it separate and well marked.
.45 ACP with small primers ...
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Interesting. Has anyone figured out or even theorized why that would be the case - or how it works that way?
OP
Yes I too have an ample supply of .45 brass with the large primers. What I don't have is an ample supply of LPP to go along with them as they seem somewhat difficult to find at present ...at least for me.
I checked and I do have several hundred .45 brass with the small primers and several thousand of the SPP as I also reload for .38 Special.
As stated above by others it's nice to have options .
Thanks for all the replies !
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You can theorize forever but it probably means little in the way of usefulness. The only way to find out for sure is to do some group shooting at the maximum distance you plan to shoot and compare group sizes.
The one experience I've had in comparing primer sizes has been with the 7.62x39 cartridge in a bolt-action rifle. Small rifle primer cases vs. large rifle primer cases made no difference in velocity or accuracy at 100 yards.
This may or may not hold true for the .45 ACP cartridge; I don't know. Just guessing, I'd say results would be very close to identical, but I've been wrong many times.
I purposely avoid the small primer stuff when buying .45ACP- seems like CCI/Federal went to it a few years ago.
I've seen no performance difference in my reloading efforts.
I find it annoying if I fail to sort them adequately.
I generally reserve the small pistol primer loads for target or training sessions where brass recovery is difficult. Muddy or grassy areas for example. I don't mind abandoning it.
I find it annoying if I fail to sort them adequately.
I generally reserve the small pistol primer loads for target or training sessions where brass recovery is difficult. Muddy or grassy areas for example. I don't mind abandoning it.
Six of one, half dozen of the other. I inspect every case before I reload it so keeping large pistol primed and small pistol primed brass separate is no big deal. There is really nothing to fear from small primed 45 ACP, Browning's ghost ain't gonna haunt you if you use small primers. I don't compete so if there is a difference in performance, it is negligible and not worth bothering and my 3 45 ACP guns can't tell the difference.. I have seen a lot of the "I been usin' large primed 45 ACP brass since 1920 and I ain't gonna change, no matter what!" thinking, which is OK as it's their handloads, their time and their money. Throwing away a 45 ACP cases is like throwing away nickels...
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Use whatever brass you choose. I don't think there is any fear involved, it's just a matter of convenience.
While it's OK to have the option of SPP or LPP, I strongly believe that adhering to a single specified primer size should be a condition of SAAMI approval.
AJ
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That is an idea that should be explored. I do not think using SPP in place of LPP would cause an increase in pressure though. Could be wrong, was wrong at least once in my life.......
Old Corp
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- Just wait 'til they market the MPP version..... - 'Medium Pistol Primer'.
Model19man
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I collect all my 45 ACP brass when I go to the range. Sometimes a 45 ACP case with a small primer gets mixed in. I place them in the trash.
My club is doing a primer order, and the only primer that isn't available for ordering is LPP. Because of that, I am laying in a supply of once fired SPP 45 ACP brass, because I enjoy shooting a 45 and I don't want to get caught without ammo!
OP
I just picked up another small batch of about 50 .45 ACP pieces of brass with the small primers that someone left on the ground. I'll add these to my stash . It would seem I'm not the only person having difficulty finding LPP so at least I'll be able to keep on reloading .
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I had a friend who loaded on a Dillon 550 so I used to trade him the SPP brass for LPP brass. He liked them because he didn't have to change the plate. I wouldn't have minded loading them but the trade was better for him.
Unfortunately he moved to a different state for work so I lost a shooting and loading buddy.
Unfortunately he moved to a different state for work so I lost a shooting and loading buddy.
Remember the furor that struck when .45 acp small primer first hit the ranges about 20 years ago?
Some shooters are just now discovering this and still throw a fit.
Just doesn't matter to me, I have a five gallon bucket of each....sort it anyway
Randy
Some shooters are just now discovering this and still throw a fit.
Just doesn't matter to me, I have a five gallon bucket of each....sort it anyway
Randy
David Sinko
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One advantage with the SPP version is you can use rifle primers if you are in a pinch and desperate. Rifle primers will not readily work in LPP brass.
Also, I remember shooting an ICORE match some years ago. There were a few Canadian competitors and they preferred the SPP version. I think it had something to do with legislation. The moral of the story is to NEVER throw away perfectly good brass, as somebody somewhere can use it. And sooner or later that somebody might be you.
Also, I remember shooting an ICORE match some years ago. There were a few Canadian competitors and they preferred the SPP version. I think it had something to do with legislation. The moral of the story is to NEVER throw away perfectly good brass, as somebody somewhere can use it. And sooner or later that somebody might be you.
BillBro
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Since Ive only just started to shoot cast in my 1911's and I had collected a good supply of sp brass I decided to dedicate the SP brass to cast and LP brass to jacketed. So far I have had zero issues and someone else mentioned above Ive been shooting some fine groups. Could be the bullets or a number of other things.
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