I feel like I need a support group since I dont own one 
very nice all!
very nice all!
5-Screw M&P Snubbies = Cool
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I feel like I need a support group since I dont own one
Jim:
You're over thinking your challenge with this with the whole "support group" thing.
There is a much easier answer - just fill the hole in your nice collection.
I can point you to several enabling sites...
This one walked into an El Paso gun show about a year ago one Sunday afternoon. It walked out with me. SN C 137012. I've posted it before. It has lost some finish; it's spent a lot of time in that holster, which had the strap cut off, and the holster has soaked up a lot of sweat over the years. I showed it to a retired cop who delighted in it; he said it was almost certainly the property of a plainclothes officer who wore it every day of his career but didn't shoot it much; bore is perfect and it locks up tight. They tell me those grips are 'modified Magna' grips? It dates from 1948-52; can anyone come closer than that?
It's been shot some now. In fact it went out with me today along with a Model 638 and a Centennial; it showed up both J franes plinking beer cans with cast wadcutter loads. I think the greater weight and larger grip makes it easier to shoot than the J frames, even though I haven't replaced the mainspring and rebound spring with lighter ones. I want to leave the old warrior just as she is. I've also shot it in Internet Snubby Matches with pretty good results for me.
It's been shot some now. In fact it went out with me today along with a Model 638 and a Centennial; it showed up both J franes plinking beer cans with cast wadcutter loads. I think the greater weight and larger grip makes it easier to shoot than the J frames, even though I haven't replaced the mainspring and rebound spring with lighter ones. I want to leave the old warrior just as she is. I've also shot it in Internet Snubby Matches with pretty good results for me.
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They are Modified Magna stocks (AKA PC stocks). Assuming they are original to the gun, they would tend to push the shipping date toward the last year in your range. This style wasn't released until about that time.
Rare Snubbies
Here are some rather rare snubbies. These first two pictures are snubby target .38's.
The mid-WW2 gun was shipped to Ed McGivern in early 1945, before the war was over.
The post-WW2 gun was shipped to Robbins A.F.B., and has the "US" stamp on the rear
grip strap. Its a model 56, so its definitely not a 5-screw, but its very scarce.
I should mention that the McGivern gun is the only known target Victory, and on top of
that its a 2" target.
This next gun is very very rare, but its not a 5-screw. It's one of less than a dozen surviving C-frame .38's . This gun was made to compete with the Colt Detective Special, but the factory had too much trouble making it, and destroyed all but a handful.
This next snubby looks like the typical early post-WW2 snubby K-frame, but its special.
The second of these two pictures shows you why. It is a 5-screw.
Finally, this last snubby is a pre-WW2 revolver, fitted with a full King rib, etc.
Regards, Mike Priwer
Here are some rather rare snubbies. These first two pictures are snubby target .38's.
The mid-WW2 gun was shipped to Ed McGivern in early 1945, before the war was over.
The post-WW2 gun was shipped to Robbins A.F.B., and has the "US" stamp on the rear
grip strap. Its a model 56, so its definitely not a 5-screw, but its very scarce.
I should mention that the McGivern gun is the only known target Victory, and on top of
that its a 2" target.
This next gun is very very rare, but its not a 5-screw. It's one of less than a dozen surviving C-frame .38's . This gun was made to compete with the Colt Detective Special, but the factory had too much trouble making it, and destroyed all but a handful.
This next snubby looks like the typical early post-WW2 snubby K-frame, but its special.
The second of these two pictures shows you why. It is a 5-screw.
Finally, this last snubby is a pre-WW2 revolver, fitted with a full King rib, etc.
Regards, Mike Priwer
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gaucho1
Member
THIS is the missing S&W
I wish this size frame would have worked out.
Shows me that S&W realized the utility and attraction of
a compact six shot snubby.
The Colt D frame hit a perfect sweet spot size and weight wise.
You sure have some unique and beautiful guns Mike
I wish this size frame would have worked out.
Shows me that S&W realized the utility and attraction of
a compact six shot snubby.
The Colt D frame hit a perfect sweet spot size and weight wise.
You sure have some unique and beautiful guns Mike
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My head is spinning. A bunch of new beautiful Smith guns and boxes.
I like them all, I don't need another gun, however these are so beautiful.
I save pictures, I put likes on them. I don't drink anymore but maybe I will start.
Well I have solved the problem, I won't look at this site anymore.
Now you know I am lying.
I like them all, I don't need another gun, however these are so beautiful.
I save pictures, I put likes on them. I don't drink anymore but maybe I will start.
Well I have solved the problem, I won't look at this site anymore.
Now you know I am lying.
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Leave it to Mike to share the crazy rare stuff. Those take coolness to a whole new level. The only other place that I have ever seen a McGivern Target Snub was a photo of a pre-war M&P housed in the NRA's National Firearms Museum (NRA Museums:).
Notwithstanding the grandeur of the above, you've got to post a photo or two of your King Supertarget Snubbie. That has to be a one of a kind...
The S&W revolvers are clearly works of art.Here are my 2, there is just something about them great craftsmanship excellent shooters also. I carried the one on the right for a few years.
Enjoy Pete
chrisbroz
Member
I was one month old when it shipped!!!
Well, y'all are hard acts to follow. I've had several M&P snubbies that have left for greener pastures. Now I only have a couple.
This square butt M&P from 1948 was purchased that year by a rookie police officer for his backup gun. I acquired it from his son a few years back.
I just got this round butt M&P from a fellow forum member. It shipped the day before my birthday in 1949. It's got character, just like me
.
This square butt M&P from 1948 was purchased that year by a rookie police officer for his backup gun. I acquired it from his son a few years back.
I just got this round butt M&P from a fellow forum member. It shipped the day before my birthday in 1949. It's got character, just like me
.
Check out my earlier thread - I added the pictures of the snubby with the King rib.
Regards, Mike
Regards, Mike
Added one more picture, showing a closeup of the left side of the frame. All three studs
can be seen in this picture. This gun is an S839XXX serial number, shipping Oct 1 1946
to A Blaich in San Francisco. The factory letter suggests that the gun was perhaps
sent over to King for conversion. The hammer is also King.
Regards, Mike
can be seen in this picture. This gun is an S839XXX serial number, shipping Oct 1 1946
to A Blaich in San Francisco. The factory letter suggests that the gun was perhaps
sent over to King for conversion. The hammer is also King.
Regards, Mike
I found this one at a local gun shop a few years ago. I sure wish I could find a round butt version to go with it. This one is in the C91,000 range.
December 1949 (the 15th) is my Birthday!! How cool
it would be to have that one!
bmg60
Member
Hi.
Not to let Mike have all the cool guns. Here is the only one ever made. It was made and presented to Col. Rex Applegate. It is considered a K-22 Fixed sight 2 inch barrel.
It was Made from a Left over Frame from the Coast Guard fixed sight guns from 1935.
Jim Fisher
Not to let Mike have all the cool guns. Here is the only one ever made. It was made and presented to Col. Rex Applegate. It is considered a K-22 Fixed sight 2 inch barrel.
It was Made from a Left over Frame from the Coast Guard fixed sight guns from 1935.
Jim Fisher
Jim
How did they make that barrel ? I'm just guessing, but I assume that they had forging
dies for the 2" .38 snubby barrels, and probably would have used one of those forgings
and bored it to a .22 instead of .32 or .38 .
Why do you think they used a left-over .22 Coast Guard frame ? They were already
making K-22's. I would think one of those frames would be suitable.
Regards, Mike
How did they make that barrel ? I'm just guessing, but I assume that they had forging
dies for the 2" .38 snubby barrels, and probably would have used one of those forgings
and bored it to a .22 instead of .32 or .38 .
Why do you think they used a left-over .22 Coast Guard frame ? They were already
making K-22's. I would think one of those frames would be suitable.
Regards, Mike
bmg60
Member
Mike
Here is the list of known Fixed sight revolvers. All these serial numbers are from the 1935 thru 1936 so the frames were made up and never finished until later. see below for the list and serial numbers.
FIXED SIGHT VARIATION
Jim,
As a follow up I checked the three K-22 OD that I thought would be fixed sight models and they were. Here is the information: 657625 shipped Nov. 9, 1939 to W. Bingham Co., Cleveland, OH; 657627 shipped May 5, 1944 to Capt. Flanagan, Chief of Ordnance, Washington, DC. loaned for testing, and 657629 shipped June 6, 1944 to Samuel Prosi USNR University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN.
Roy
BREAKDOWN BY SERIAL NUMBER:
1. Serial # 657620 Shipped 12/18/1939 J. Warshalls Co.
2. Serial # 657624 Built for Rex Applegate 2 inch Barrel.
3. Serial # 657625 Shipped 11/9/1939 W. Bingham Co.
4. Serial # 657626 Shipped 12/18/1939 J. Warshalls Co.
5. Serial # 657627 Shipped 5/5/1944 Capt Flanagan Washington, DC.
6. Serial # 657629 Shipped 6/6/1944 Samuel Prosi USNR.
Here is the list of known Fixed sight revolvers. All these serial numbers are from the 1935 thru 1936 so the frames were made up and never finished until later. see below for the list and serial numbers.
FIXED SIGHT VARIATION
Jim,
As a follow up I checked the three K-22 OD that I thought would be fixed sight models and they were. Here is the information: 657625 shipped Nov. 9, 1939 to W. Bingham Co., Cleveland, OH; 657627 shipped May 5, 1944 to Capt. Flanagan, Chief of Ordnance, Washington, DC. loaned for testing, and 657629 shipped June 6, 1944 to Samuel Prosi USNR University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN.
Roy
BREAKDOWN BY SERIAL NUMBER:
1. Serial # 657620 Shipped 12/18/1939 J. Warshalls Co.
2. Serial # 657624 Built for Rex Applegate 2 inch Barrel.
3. Serial # 657625 Shipped 11/9/1939 W. Bingham Co.
4. Serial # 657626 Shipped 12/18/1939 J. Warshalls Co.
5. Serial # 657627 Shipped 5/5/1944 Capt Flanagan Washington, DC.
6. Serial # 657629 Shipped 6/6/1944 Samuel Prosi USNR.
Jim
I see. So they did have several fixed-sighted frames lying around, and they gradually
used them for certain guns. Interesting.
Regards, Mike
I see. So they did have several fixed-sighted frames lying around, and they gradually
used them for certain guns. Interesting.
Regards, Mike
H P Bushrod
Absent Comrade
I wish this size frame would have worked out.
Shows me that S&W realized the utility and attraction of
a compact six shot snubby.
The Colt D frame hit a perfect sweet spot size and weight wise.
You sure have some unique and beautiful guns Mike
Mike, Thanks for sharing the pics of that rare S&W. Yours is the first I've seen that wasn't in the SCSW book. It's beautiful!
John:
I would have to agree with you that you don't see many with the pre-war style shape and checkering. I do however find it interesting that in the post right after yours (post 23) Hardware posted another RB snubbie with pre-war stocks.
BTW - do your stocks number to the gun they are on?
Thanks,
I saw that, very nice gun. The stocks do number to the gun.
