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[Beemerguy53]

I think we are reaching a critical mass point in this country where the “repeal and replace” of the Second Amendment is a real possibility. The demographics of the country are changing and it won’t take many more events of this magnitude to tip the scales.

Then what? Its the Constitutional way to achieve gun control. It won’t matter who is on the Supreme Court if there is a blank spot between the First and Third Amendments...

You make excellent points. I've seen a number of articles and public statements this past week to the effect that the 2nd Amendment should be repealed. Should a serious effort be made to accomplish that, we can all probably name at least some states where a vote for repeal would be a slam-dunk. (Maryland, California, New York, New Jersey, etc., etc.)

We are in a far more precarious position here than I suspect many of us realize. Gun owners who act irresponsibly, and shooting sports companies who make things like bump stocks (which are clearly intended to circumvent the National Firearms Act) could easily screw things up for the vast majority of American gun owners who are lawabiding, and who use their firearms responsibly.

Your observation about the Supreme Court is very astute. A President could pack SCOTUS with nine NRA Life Members, and it wouldn't matter in the slightest if the Constitutional RKBA guarantee doesn't exist...

 

[Beemerguy53]

IMO people who sell others out are the ones jeopardizing your/our rights. It is how we got in this mess in the first place.

Turn on law abiding guns owners of a certain demographic, and I guarantee they turn on you. You don't need a semi auto, and I am perfectly happy with my revolvers. Heck, I sometimes carry cap, and ball they work, you don't need anything more than that.

I forgot method of carry, since I open carry I see no need for conceal carry to be legal.

With all due respect, if anyone here is "selling out" anyone else, it's that tiny minority of gun owners who use firearms irresponsibly who are selling out the rest of us. Most of the silly gun laws we have now are in place because of their -- not our -- actions.

And please bear in mind that a bump stock is not a firearm; it is an accessory. A bump stock isn't necessary in order to operate a firearm properly; I doubt it could be argued that this is even a 2nd Amendment issue in the first place.

 

[Walkingwolf]

With all due respect, if anyone here is "selling out" anyone else, it's that tiny minority of gun owners who use firearms irresponsibly who are selling out the rest of us. Most of the silly gun laws we have now are in place because of their -- not our -- actions.

And please bear in mind that a bump stock is not a firearm; it is an accessory. A bump stock isn't necessary in order to operate a firearm properly; I doubt it could be argued that this is even a 2nd Amendment issue in the first place.

Please cite how those who shoot with bump stocks are not responsible? List the accidents, the deaths outside of murders. Don't make stuff up to try to make your case for infringing on others.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Please cite how those who shoot with bump stocks are not responsible? List the accidents, the deaths outside of murders. Don't make stuff up to try to make your case for infringing on others.

Bump stocks are designed to circumvent the National Firearms Act, which is, whether we like it or not, the law of the land. I don't think that's very "responsible".

Bump stocks trade accuracy for rate-of-fire. They do not make any firearm more suitable for self-defense, hunting, target shooting, and the assertion of 2nd Amendment rights. I submit that that makes it irresponsible to own one.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Bump stocks are designed to circumvent the National Firearms Act, which is, whether we like it or not, the law of the land. I don't think that's very "responsible".

Bump stocks trade accuracy for rate-of-fire. They do not make any firearm more suitable for self-defense, hunting, target shooting, and the assertion of 2nd Amendment rights. I submit that that makes it irresponsible to own one.

I asked you to provide citations for your wild claims. I won't let you get away with trying to talk around providing them.

 

[Beemerguy53]

I asked you to provide citations for your wild claims. I won't let you get away with trying to talk around providing them.

For a guy who accused me of describing the Las Vegas shooting as an "accident" when I wrote "incident", you have a lot of nerve accusing me of making wild claims.

And while your badgering skills are right up there with my ex-wife's, your reading skills need improvement. In post #142, I wrote:

"With all due respect, if anyone here is "selling out" anyone else, it's that tiny minority of gun owners who use firearms irresponsibly who are selling out the rest of us. Most of the silly gun laws we have now are in place because of their -- not our -- actions."

I wasn't referring exclusively to bump stock owners when I wrote that, but since you became so hysterically defensive about it, I did provide examples of the ways in which I think people who own such devices are irresponsible. If that's not good enough for you...tough.

 

[Arik]

Among the legitimate uses for firearms that I'm aware of are: Self-defense; hunting; target shooting of all kinds; and the assertion of one's 2nd Amendment rights. I am unaware of how a bump stock aids or facilitates any of those purposes.

Finally --- and this needs to be repeated often --- a bump stock is not a firearm; it is an accessory. Unlike a magazine, which is integral to the operation of the firearm, the bump stock is an added-on device, and it isn't needed for proper functioning of any firearm.

You just said "target shooting of all kinds" and "unaware of how a bump stock aids or facilitates any of those purposes". I can bump fire target shooting. There are other sports related shooting aside from standing still and pointing at a target. But forget about that!

How does a magazine aid or facilitate and of those purposes? Pistol grips? A single shot rifle is all you need. Musket is just fine! You can hunt, target shoot and exercise your 2A right. And you don't need anything more than a 22lr for 3 of the 4 things

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[Arik]

it's that tiny minority of gun owners who use firearms irresponsibly who are selling out the rest of us. .

No it's everyone else. You'll care a little more when some irresponsible gun owner does something bad with a revolver and they'll try to pass something that will take away your precious soulful wood and blued revolvers.

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[Plain Old Dave]

Responsibility has nothing to do with it right now. This week, it's bumpfire stocks. Next week, reenact the AWB. Next month, nationwide California style registries. Next year, confiscation of semiautomatic rifles and licensure of repeating firearms. No compromise, no surrender, no apologies. Read and ponder.

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