5906 Grip "Dimple"

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Recently purchased a 5906 and noticed that my grip is like the one in the picture on the right...not upgraded. I called S&W and they no longer honor the recall due to no parts. After talking to customer service and sending this picture in, she checked with someone named Mark who has worked there for 45 years and has worked on these guns a lot. He said that the picture on the right is actually the upgraded one as it has the small dimple on the very back of the grip and that the one that is "upgraded" is a mold mark made by a different supplier. I'd like to make sure I have a reliable grip, but not sure who's right. Any thoughts?
 
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The dimple on the right seems to have been intentionally put there. Hopefully one of the armorer members will know for sure, but new grips from Midway or Brownells are still available if you don't get a satisfactory answer.
 
I can't comment on the one on the right. However, the one on the left is a S&W upgraded grip.
Look at this picture below. I am absolutely 100% positive that grip came from S&W. Note the dimple location.

 
It's probably reasonable to assume that some early upgraded grips may have been hand-punched before the dimple was subsequently added to the mold. If your grip has nothing resembling a punch at all on either side of the lanyard hole, it is a pre-recall grip.
 
The dimple on the right seems to have been intentionally put there. Hopefully one of the armorer members will know for sure, but new grips from Midway or Brownells are still available if you don't get a satisfactory answer.

I wish that was the case. Midway is out of stock on straight and curved with no back order. Brownells is the same :(
 
I can't comment on the one on the right. However, the one on the left is a S&W upgraded grip.
Look at this picture below. I am absolutely 100% positive that grip came from S&W. Note the dimple location.


Yep....and that's the one that they are telling me is strictly a "mold mark" left behind from a different suplier
 
It's probably reasonable to assume that some early upgraded grips may have been hand-punched before the dimple was subsequently added to the mold. If your grip has nothing resembling a punch at all on either side of the lanyard hole, it is a pre-recall grip.

From what the factory is telling me, they were hand punched...and the grip does have the small punch on the very edge of the grip. Problem is a lot of people are saying that the bigger dimple closer to the mag well is the upgrade (the original picture) and the factory is telling me the small punch on the edge is the correct one. I have zero experience with this particular gun but there are a lot of people here that do :)
 
A lot of people are saying that the bigger dimple closer to the mag well is the upgrade :)

I have personally returned 6 pre-recall grips to S&W and the replacements sent all had the molded dimple next to the mag well. (as pictured again and no disrespect to "Mark").
 

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The grip recall was done in 1990... so is S&W (Mark) claiming that S&W has been shipping 3rd gens out with the "non upgraded" (molded dimple) grip for as long as 11 years after the recall? Talk about S&W leaving themselves open to a host of liability issues, if so.

My 4006 IDPA model from the Performance Center has a fired cartridge case envelope with a 03-14-01 date, wearing the molded dimple grip from the Performance Center.

Here's a jpeg image of the recall as published... sorry for the lousy resolution, but the notice shows the "new" grips originally having the dimple in 2 locations, at the rear for 9mm pistols, and next to the mag well opening for .45 & 10mm pistols. Which undoubtedly morphed to the single location we're used to seeing.
 

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Those are my pictures of my pistols.

The grip on the 915 on the left was sent to me by S&W as a factory replacement per the recall. I got the grip in 2006 and installed it myself.

The grip on the 3913 on the right (TDF prefix) is original to the pistol and has never been upgraded.

Dave
 
The grip recall was done in 1990... so is S&W (Mark) claiming that S&W has been shipping 3rd gens out with the "non upgraded" (molded dimple) grip for as long as 11 years after the recall? Talk about S&W leaving themselves open to a host of liability issues, if so.

My 4006 IDPA model from the Performance Center has a fired cartridge case envelope with a 03-14-01 date, wearing the molded dimple grip from the Performance Center.

Here's a jpeg image of the recall as published... sorry for the lousy resolution, but the notice shows the "new" grips originally having the dimple in 2 locations, at the rear for 9mm pistols, and next to the mag well opening for .45 & 10mm pistols. Which undoubtedly morphed to the single location we're used to seeing.

That would answer the question then. The 5906 should have the dimple at the rear of the grip going by the recall image :)
 
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Those are my pictures of my pistols.

The grip on the 915 on the left was sent to me by S&W as a factory replacement per the recall. I got the grip in 2006 and installed it myself.

The grip on the 3913 on the right (TDF prefix) is original to the pistol and has never been upgraded.

Dave

Thanks for the images.....Google found them for me. Strange that the 915 is a 9mm but the original recall clipping that Gunhacker showed has the 9mm at the edge and the .45 by the mag well and yours is clearly by the mag well. Suppose I'll just roll with it since they're next to impossible to find and no major retailers are carrying them any longer :(
 
Thanks for the images.....Google found them for me. Strange that the 915 is a 9mm but the original recall clipping that Gunhacker showed has the 9mm at the edge and the .45 by the mag well and yours is clearly by the mag well. Suppose I'll just roll with it since they're next to impossible to find and no major retailers are carrying them any longer :(

I had a replacement for the 3913 that I gave to a friend and it had the same round dimple that the 915 shows in the same spot. I'll check to see if I have a picture.

That small divot on my 3913 is actually an impact mark, the grip didn't come that way. There are actually a couple of other marks close to it on the back of the grip. They came from falling off a table onto gravel at an outdoor range. Remember that that is a magnified picture and the divot is about the diameter of a high E or B guitar string. I doubt S&W would take the time to do that by hand. I know they didn't in my case.

Dave
 
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Recently purchased a 5906 and noticed that my grip is like the one in the picture on the right...not upgraded. I called S&W and they no longer honor the recall due to no parts. After talking to customer service and sending this picture in, she checked with someone named Mark who has worked there for 45 years and has worked on these guns a lot. He said that the picture on the right is actually the upgraded one as it has the small dimple on the very back of the grip and that the one that is "upgraded" is a mold mark made by a different supplier. I'd like to make sure I have a reliable grip, but not sure who's right. Any thoughts?

There are still some people working at the company who were probably around for the original AIP period (Auto Improvement Program, which resulted in the 3rd gen models), and I'd not quickly discount someone still working being able to remember this grip material change and being able to give you the right info.;) (Of course, there are fewer of them still there, and those remaining numbers are getting closer to retirement all the time. One of my longtime LE parts & armorer contacts, who was involved with the original 645/4506 guns, retired a little while ago.)

Anyway, I have some used double stack 9/.40 grips in my spare parts, both full-size & compact, as well as a couple of grips from the original TSW 9/.45 guns and even a couple of both (still) new & used full-size .45 grips.

The .45 grips & new production 9 single stack compact grips exhibit the "softer" molded dimple next to the mag well, but the older double stack 9/.40 grips are a mix of having dimple or punch marks on each side of the U-notch cut window, meaning next to the mag well or at the rear of the grip. The smaller punch marks are located somewhere (variably, or even sloppily) toward the rear of the grip, and are smaller and "sharper" in appearance.

It's goes back a ways, but our original 3rd gen duty guns were from the early '89/'90 production, and we later got a huge box of replacement grips when they changed the grip material (the "recall"), and I remember seeing them with the smaller punch marks to the rear of the grip. I also remember being told they were being hand-marked back then, which would explain the somewhat "inconsistent" placement of the punch marks on different grips. ;)

We were told in an armorer class that as long as the new grips exhibited a dimple or punch mark on either the front (near mag well) or rear (behind U-notch cut) of the bottom of the grip, it was the revised ("upgraded"), stronger grip material.

Also, FWIW, I remember being told that the company's decision to change the grip material had resulted from a very, very small number (a few?) grips that had suffered cracking when being dropped onto a hard surface. S&W still commanded a strong segment of the LE market back then, so there were a lot of guns in-service.

I'd not be surprised if they were getting their grips made by more than one vendor back then, either, because we were sometimes told that the same thing happened with other plastic parts from time to time. (I also remember being told that they usually used a couple of different vendors for both mag bodies springs.)
 
Just to add to the confusion, I got a picture of the 3913 replacement grip sent to me by S&W a number of years ago. After I dropped my pistol and the grip didn't break I figured I didn't need the new one.

Not my pistol but definitely the new grip I passed along to the owner.



Dave
 
Just to add to the confusion, I got a picture of the 3913 replacement grip sent to me by S&W a number of years ago. After I dropped my pistol and the grip didn't break I figured I didn't need the new one.

Not my pistol but definitely the new grip I passed along to the owner.



Dave

I bought a 6906 last June, and it didn't have the dimpled grips. I sent it to Smith and the ones they put on it look exactly like these.
 
Since we now have the owner of the gun in the photo (D Rock) who explained the mark on the grip on the right was caused when he dropped the gun on gravel it appears that "Mark at S&W for 45 years" has been caught blowing smoke at someone.
 
What still boggles my mind is how seemingly randomly the grips recall is still being honored or dishonored by current S&W CS personnel. :confused: I've told my stories before (successes, failures and outright BS thrown at me) so I won't repeat them again... but PLEASE S&W!!! Make up your minds!!! Are you still honoring the recall or not? :confused: Don't tell one person one story and the very next person who calls gets an entirely different story. :( That makes no sense at all. :mad:

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HELLO ALL! PERHAPS I CAN ADD SOME CONFUTION TOO TO THIS SUBJECT, LOL!! I ALSO HAVE THIS RECALL PRINTED IN SOME GUNS AND AMMO ISSUE FROM BACK IN THE DAY, BUT IT WILL TAKE ME A DAY TO GO THROUGH ARCHIVES TO FIND IT. MY 4506 NO DASH SQ. TRGGRD, CAME WITH THE CURVED BACKSTRAP, NO DIMPLE, AND A HAIRLINE CRACK TO ITS BOTTOM. THE CRACK WAS NOT SOMETHING I CARED ABOUT, BUT SEEING THAT NEW GRIPS FOR 3RD "GEMS" WERE DRYING UP, I GOT A REPLACEMENT FROM NUMRICH, 4 - 5 YEARS AGO. IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS A DIMPLE TO IT, BUT GUESS WHERE?? ON THE SIDE! I HOPE THE PICTURES UPLOAD. NOW I AM CURIOUS TO LOOK AT THE 5904 AND 5906 I GOT, TO SEE IF THEY HAVE OR NOT HAVE DIMPLES.
 
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