A Brill for my SAA

Got a chance to try a 5 1/2" Colt in my Brill and it was too long so it is for sure a 4 1/2 " holster . Gonna take a small belt too , tunnel looks like it was set to wear on a pants belt .

Eddie

Yes, the Brill was created specifically to be worn on a trousers belt. So the Texas Rangers could conceal their pistols under an open coat without showing a gunbelt through the gap. Or carry ammo on one, apparently :-).

Going to give us more pics, from you camera and not the seller's?
 
Yes, the Brill was created specifically to be worn on a trousers belt. So the Texas Rangers could conceal their pistols under an open coat without showing a gunbelt through the gap. Or carry ammo on one, apparently :-).

Going to give us more pics, from you camera and not the seller's?



Yes on the pictures ! Just as soon as I figure out how to use this fancy camera and get an adapter for the sd card . I bought it , brought it home and lost it in amongst all this junk I own . Believe it or not I just found it this morning under a backpack I haven't moved since deer season ended . I'll see if I can't get some on this weekend .

On carrying extra ammo on the belt : Don't you know them old Rangers never miss so have no immediate need of a reload ! ;)

Eddie
 
Would you have any idea of when this holster was made and the gun that it was made for? I received it as a gift from my boss. It was given to him by his father in law when he was married and it had a 2.5" Iver Johnson Bicycle gun in it but it didn't cover the trigger guard at all.
 

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The trigger guard (Revolver ) is never covered on this style of holster . Only the front half of the frame and barrel are ever in the holster .

Eddie
 
Would you have any idea of when this holster was made and the gun that it was made for? I received it as a gift from my boss. It was given to him by his father in law when he was married and it had a 2.5" Iver Johnson Bicycle gun in it but it didn't cover the trigger guard at all.

It is a second generation Brill, made after 1932 and before 1955. Production of first generatipn Brills began 1912 and until the second gen's maker took over.

Normally we would need a pic of the backside to be sure but all Brills have a tiny clue on the front.
 
It is a second generation Brill, made after 1932 and before 1955. Production of first generatipn Brills began 1912 and until the second gen's maker took over.

Normally we would need a pic of the backside to be sure but all Brills have a tiny clue on the front.

Stitching at the welt ? Not Reversed ?
 
Stitching at the welt ? Not Reversed ?

Very good. There are as many as a dozen differences between an early, and a late, Brill. In a pic, at the front there is only one guaranteed difference that can be spotted:

brill da (22).jpg late -- the last stitches return as a sort of squared-off "J".

brill auto (13).jpg early -- the last stitches return only as a sort of squared-off "L".

From the back the differences are far more obvious.

For a collector I suppose it only helps to know, for rough dating purposes. But if one ever wanted to USE a Brill, one would want the later ones, made for Brill by Rabensburg: the cuff is a structural part of the belt loop, and only he put great effort into how the cuff was sewn to the fender, for strength (early ones with failed stitching abound). He also used double and triple welts in his revolver versions, whereas early ones only had single welts on all autos and revolvers. The doubled welts were the essential part of what we now call a Threepersons design: they were used to jam the pistol into place (no maker has done so, though, since Bianchi in the early '60s, in a Threepersons holster).

This is not a random observation; a thorough study of hundreds of pics shows that there are only two sets of 'markers'; that is, a Brill (or one that looks like a Brill but has no maker's mark) with one or the other difference in the hand sewing of that end of the welt, will always have all the other unique indicators to match. No exceptions have ever been sighted, right down to the backside sewing always being 5 inline stitches on the left (of a rh holster) and 7 or 8 (never 6 or 9) inline stitches on the right (ditto) on a late-by-Rabensburg Brill.

P.S. Rabensburg also made these holsters without the Brill marking, and with the owner's initials stamped instead, on the cuff. It is from a pair of known Rabensburg's (made for their owner personally by him in the 1950s) that we know which is which -- and contemporaneous news stories tell us 'when'.
 
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Would you have any idea of when this holster was made and the gun that it was made for? I received it as a gift from my boss. It was given to him by his father in law when he was married and it had a 2.5" Iver Johnson Bicycle gun in it but it didn't cover the trigger guard at all.

It is so similar to this one of FBI agent Campbell that I'd agree it's for a DA revolver. Revolver trigger guards are not covered on long-barrelled DAs; but are on short barrelled DAs (so yours was not intended by its maker to suit your I.J. with such a short barrel).

campbell collection (3).jpg Campbell's late Brill.

brill da (5).jpg a late Brill for a short-barrelled DA revolver is constructed very much like the auto version; and always has a safety strap. Another maker who followed this safety logic was Ohlemeyer, best known for making Patton's sets whilst at Myres.

All pics belong to others (I don't own the holsters or the images).
 
Red..... I Aint No Picture Taker but here they are !

Best I can do till I figure this camera out . :D Ignore the time stamps on the pictures , I bought the camera used and it had dead batteries in it . I forgot to reset the date info before I shot the pictures . Gotta figure out how to do that .

Eddie
 

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More for Red . I know some are a bit fuzzy but they are a lot better than my ancient cell phone pictures . I don't normally take pictures so I have no skill in this area .
 

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A Few More. The stagged 32-1 is my daily companion and was in my hip pocket begging to get in on the fun . The Colt .45 4 3/4" now lives in the Brill . The 5 1/2" .44 Special Flattop is on my hip keeping the little .38 company . The LARGER SA is unfinished and was being built by my pap in the 60's before he was blinded in an explosion involving a cannon . It will be a 6 shot 45-70 if I can ever get it finished . It lacks a hand , rear sight , and loading gate. He had made the loading gate but it was lost at some point after the accident . He made and sold at least one more of these . He was B W Southgate of Nasville Tennessee . If anyone knows where the other one is I sure would like some pictures and measurements of the hand and loading gate .

Eddie
 

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Best I can do till I figure this camera out . :D Ignore the time stamps on the pictures , I bought the camera used and it had dead batteries in it . I forgot to reset the date info before I shot the pictures . Gotta figure out how to do that .

Eddie

Tex Shoemaker was wont (it's a real word) to say, "Yessir!". So I'll say, "Yessir, those pics indeed are mighty humble" :-). They tell the tale though: every one of the markers of an early Brill 1910-ish to 1930-ish. The backside, for example, shows the use of a machine to sew the right side (on a rh holster) attachment of the cuff, hand sewn for the left side.
 
Red,

My boss asked me today if I found out anything on this forum about the holster he gave me . I actually told him what you said about the holster a few weeks ago but I guess he forgot. I also mentioned the maker made holsters for the Texas Rangers...Without even looking up while he was typing on his computer he told me that makes sense because his former father in law was a Texas Ranger. The two photos show the Iver Johnson in and out of the holster. I thought it was a 2.5" but it turns out it's a 3.25". Funny that his father in law gave him such a nice holster with such a mediocre gun but maybe it was his dad's gun.
 

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