LuddhaBuddha
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There is no such thing as stopping power unless your talking about cars, trucks, and busses.
Advantages of 40 vs. 45 ACP?
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There is no such thing as stopping power unless your talking about cars, trucks, and busses.
Pasifikawv
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The .40 is a great caliber - at least for me and in my opinion... Many will certainly disagree...
I find that I can squeeze off more rounds more quickly and accurately with the .40 vs the .45.
I have average-sized hands. A .40 in a double stack mag is a more managable grip in my hands and gives a greater rounds per magazine than a comparable single stack mag in .45.
The lesser recoil is helpful in multiple shots. I find with a .45 I tend to "milk" the grip after about 6-8 rounds or so... I don't find myself "milking" the .40 until about round 10-12.
I know: shouldn't be "milking" any pistol at all, but...
As compared to a 9mm, I like the added "bang" that the .40 provides.
I find that I can squeeze off more rounds more quickly and accurately with the .40 vs the .45.
I have average-sized hands. A .40 in a double stack mag is a more managable grip in my hands and gives a greater rounds per magazine than a comparable single stack mag in .45.
The lesser recoil is helpful in multiple shots. I find with a .45 I tend to "milk" the grip after about 6-8 rounds or so... I don't find myself "milking" the .40 until about round 10-12.
I know: shouldn't be "milking" any pistol at all, but...
As compared to a 9mm, I like the added "bang" that the .40 provides.
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Go shoot some heavy steel targets (hinged). Make your own comparison between the .45 230gr and the .40 165gr. I carry and like them both but for different reasons. If you want to knock a bad guy down for the count its the .45
safearm
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The biggest advantage to the .40 S&W is the ability to carry a reasonable number of larger caliber rounds in a medium frame semi-auto. A double stack .45 ACP magazine is generally too large for most people, i.e., Glock 21, however, a Glock 22 is exactly the same frame as the Glock 17, and many feel the Glock is very controllable. Whether or not the .40 S&W (higher pressure) generates more recoil the the .45 ACP is highly subjective; once you start shooting .45 ACP+P, the ability to perceive differences in recoil gets very clouded.
I've used the .40 S&W as a duty round in S&W and Sig-Sauers, and would feel comfortable carrying it again.
Today, I prefer the 9mm because it is not so damaging to my arthritic hands and wrists.
I've used the .40 S&W as a duty round in S&W and Sig-Sauers, and would feel comfortable carrying it again.
Today, I prefer the 9mm because it is not so damaging to my arthritic hands and wrists.
nh40ve
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almost got some for my 92D but was iffy about it..
TAC
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I was referring to the .40 S&W's higher pressure being harder on the gun, not the shooter. That's why the Glock 22's have all those KABOOMS!
LuddhaBuddha
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I thought they had all those kabooms because of the partially unsupported chamber + the reloading of once fired(by a glock) brass.
TAC
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The partially unsupported chamber is a contributor to the problem. Brand new factory loads have blown them apart as well, not just reloads. The pressures in the S&W .40cal are very high.
glypnir
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More angels dancing on the heads of pins.
Does Erich still have the same signature line?
I just shoot whatever comes to hand. I'm about an equally lousy shot with all three, the recoil doesn't really bother me with any of them, and my hands are big enough that a Glock 21 grip is too small.
That's why I like the replaceable backstrap on my 9 mm M&P.
Does Erich still have the same signature line?
I just shoot whatever comes to hand. I'm about an equally lousy shot with all three, the recoil doesn't really bother me with any of them, and my hands are big enough that a Glock 21 grip is too small.
That's why I like the replaceable backstrap on my 9 mm M&P.
poe
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Caliber wars.
Gotta love 'em.
Gotta love 'em.
Howard B
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Proper sight alignment in conjunction with sight placement and trigger press, thus allowing projectile to impact in the proper/vital place will always be of greater value than projectile size.
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I agree with Howard B. Stick it up their nose and pull the trigger. 9,40, 45 = End of story.
I am not a scientist and have never shot ballistic jello on the street, but I do know a 230gr bullet will sting a little and for sure leave a mark. I still love my .40 though.
I am not a scientist and have never shot ballistic jello on the street, but I do know a 230gr bullet will sting a little and for sure leave a mark. I still love my .40 though.
Sportsterguy
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NONE!!!
FirebirdV8
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Isn't the secret of any round shot placement? Most of us, hopefully, don't ever want to be in a defense situation (I know I don't want to), but we should be prepared if such a situation occurs. I know, for me, I carry a 40 cal or a 10mm for defense, but those calibers work well for me. I am accurate with them and comfortable with these rounds. That being said, I like 9mm and 45 cal too. The point is they all make a hole in the bad guy, you just have to be able to place that hole where it needs to go.
RedCardinal
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Right on FirebirdV8. Shot placement is primary and caliber is secondary. You know the saying, " Its hard to stop a train", and its even harder to get up after one has run you over. I would hate to get shot with any caliber by a good marksman. I love the 9MM,357 Sig, 40S&W, 10MM, and the 45acp in pistols. For revolvers its the 357 S&W Magnum and the 10MM. I practice with them all so whatever I have to use, I can put the round in a lethal spot. That being said, I do have more 45acp pistols than any other caliber. They tie with the 9MM for accuracy but that may be due to the fact that most of my 9MM and 45acp pistols are S&W Performance Center models. Lastly, don't forget that the bullet and powder are also a significant part of the equasion.
chillypepper
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don't know or care why the FBI switched. i can only tell you why i built my newest competition 1911 in .40. .45 brass was running a nickle or so per. .40 brass was and still is free if i go to the range after any of the local LE quallifies. i can pick up several thousand once fired cases in in about 10-15 min. and get some .223 and some loose loaded LE only rounds as a bonus. i almost never see anyone leave .45 brass on the ground, even those that don't reload seem to police their .45 brass fairly well.
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Distance! Accuracy!
You are partly rite in my opinion .40s&w is a 9x19 with a bigger ego because they can be more accurate at greater distance then the 9 or .45
A .40 cal gose further point first then 9x19 and.45 because they begin to tummble at diffrent points thats why the fbi likes the accuracy with "stopping power"
You are partly rite in my opinion .40s&w is a 9x19 with a bigger ego because they can be more accurate at greater distance then the 9 or .45
A .40 cal gose further point first then 9x19 and.45 because they begin to tummble at diffrent points thats why the fbi likes the accuracy with "stopping power"
scattershot
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One advantage of the .40 that I haven't seen mentioned yet is the fact that most of the tactical tupperware pistols chambered for it can be converted to 9mm with just a barrel swap. (And a mag, of course). I also have a conversion for my Browning Hi Power.
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