aiming issue at the range

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i'm not really sure which forum section is the best for this thread, but i figure this is a good place to start.

my M&P and 3913 are both incredibly accurate guns, and handle very well. i can tell that my issues at the range are with me. my shots are scattered, regardless of how i hold the gun, how i stand, or my breathing. i can always hit the X once or twice, but its just not consistent. so i know that i'm capable of hitting the bullseye, and i do have some decent groupings, but overall my shots are too all over the place. any advice on what i could do to improve? thanks.
 
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Without actually watching you shoot, it is difficult to tell what you are doing wrong. Is there a good instructor at the range that can watch your technique?

What works for me is to recite five steps every shot:

1. Proper stance
2. Proper grip
3. Relax lungs (not really holding my breath but not breathing)
4. Sight alignment (mainly concentrating on front sight)
5. Squeeze trigger slowly

If you have good sight and trigger techniques, you will not flinch. If you see the muzzle flash, it indicates that you have kept your eyes open and have most likely not flinched. Try to see the muzzle flash every shot. Above all, practice, practice, and more practice!
 
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shooting pistols is one of those things that take a long time to master. ive been shooting pistols for 14 years ever since i was 15 and i still have room for improvement. off hand shooting at 20 yards will always be a challenge for me and without a rest my rounds will always be somewhat scattered. try using a rest to get your sight alignment and trigger pull mastered
 
thanks.

seems like i do need to work on a routine, and my grip/flinching. i have noticed that my shooting is much better when i have my arms resting on a platform. but i am pretty sure that just further steadies the gun, so i need to find a way to keep more steading when firing.

i'll post an update at my next range session.
 
I'll chime in here...

As a former Coast Guard small arms instructor and member of the service's National Shooting Team this is what I believe your problem is. Also keep in mind I'm talking basic marksmanship skills here and not advanced gunfighting skills.

Typically, shots scattered all over the paper with no discernible pattern is caused by the shooter not maintaining their eye focus on the front sight.

In order to keep your sights properly aligned, it is imperative you hold your focus on the front sight blade. If you are not sure what proper sight alignment looks like simply google "sight alignment" you'll get a bunch of pictures.

I'll assume for the sake of discussion your using a typical bullseye target with a black aiming center.

Now once you have your eye focus back on the front sight, Make sure the sight is properly aligned in relation to the rear sight. With your eye held on the front sight, the aiming black will appear as a fuzzy dark blob downrange.
Place this blob right atop the front sight and service the target/exercise the trigger.

Now here is where new or inexperienced shooters usually go south.

The first shot or two will be right in the black then they get progressively more and more spread out. There are a few things you'll need to be conscious of to avoid this.

First, keep your eye focused on the front sight. I've often had shooters place a couple good shots downrange then get worse and worse as their eye point of focus wanders forward of the gun. Folks will see their doing good and start wanting to see where the holes go, thus the eye focus moving downrange. Don't worry about the holes that are already down there in the target, they cant be moved of fixed. Concentrate on the next shot

Next is you must contend with whats called the "natural arc of motion". You will note that as you are aiming at the target, your weapon, aside from a little shaking, seems to wander side to side sort of in a sideways figure 8. This movement is called the natural arc of motion and everyone who shoots anything experiences it to one degree or another. It may even appear sometimes that you sights are clean off the target. Ignore it. This is an optical illusion. So long as you keep your sights correctly aligned and your eye focused solely on the front sight post, your weapon is covering a spot on the aiming black about the size of a coffee cup. It's not important to hold the weapon steady or keep it from shaking nor keep the sight perfectly in the center of the black. It's important to keep the sights properly aligned and that's all.

Lastly you must master exercising the trigger without upsetting or disturbing the sight alignment. This is where dry fire practice comes in. This is something you can do at home.
In dry fire practice first of all is to double then triple check that your weapon is clear and magazine is empty. simply aim at any surface that contrasts with the sights (like a white wall or a sheet of copy paper) keep your sights aligned then work on pulling the trigger fully through the stroke while concentrating on not disturbing your sight picture. You want to get the the point where you can stroke the trigger smoothly without upsetting your sight picture.

This dry fire practice will also help you master proper trigger control. You should pull the trigger in this manner... place your finger on the trigger, take up the slack, then apply a constant increase in pressure, straight to the rear through the point at which the hammer or striker falls fully to the rear then reset and go again. Go slowly at first paying particular attention to your sight alignment as you stroke the trigger. It will be messy at first but you will see gradual improvement. Speed will come with practice and learned muscle memory. Not being able to spend some range time with you, this is about all I can think of right now. Feel free to ask any questions that come to mind and above all, be extra safe.

Cheers
Bill
 

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