AIWB risks evaluated by John Lovell

Knowledge is your friend. With the Glock, at least, there is no way it can "go off" without the trigger being pulled. Put it in your trigger covering IWB holster, tuck it in your pants and go forth with confidence that only understanding can give you.

Meanwhile, I'm going to look for my dead horse beating stick ...
 
Are there any documented cases of a person carrying AIWB with a modern gun and Kydex holster designed for that gun shooting himself in the femoral artery or femur and dying?

There's a 5 or 6 year old case where a young Dallas PD officer purchased a Glock sub-compact for off-duty carry and was practicing drawing and holstering at home using an inside front waist band holster. He shot himself and bled out in front of his wife and baby daughter. Very sad case. He also was a former military combat veteran so he had a lot of firearms training but it still happened. Again, a horrible loss.
 
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There's a 5 or 6 year old case where a young Dallas PD officer purchased a Glock sub-compact for off-duty carry and was practicing drawing and holstering at home using an inside front waist band holster. He shot himself and bled out in front of his wife and baby daughter. Very sad case. He also was a former military combat veteran so he had a lot of firearms training but it still happened. Again, a horrible loss.

A sad tale.

But my question is why was he practicing drawing in his home with a loaded gun? And why was he practicing holstering at all?

There are a lot of things I'll do casually. Holstering a loaded gun isn't one of them. I'll agree that AIWB carry poses risks that some other modes of carry do not (in fact, I've already said exactly this), but it appears where this gentleman's holster was wasn't the proximate cause of this disaster.
 
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Just don't pull the trigger with the guns barrel in you holster or in your pants ...it's that simple ...
Common Sense says : Clear Leather / Pants ...then pull the trigger !
Gary

As a Police Firearms Instructor I would tell my trainees that all firearms have 2 safety devices that are NOT attached to the firearm.
#1 that is between your ears. YOUR BRAIN, THINK!!!
#2 Your TRIGGER FINGER that Cannot be allowed to touch the trigger or even be in the trigger guard until the firearm is pointed in a proper direction.
 
The grip safety on a 1911 is naturally depressed when you have a firing grip, which you do when holstering.

Many people do this, but not all.

It is very common that LE trained people put their thumb to the hammer/back of slide area of the handgun being holstered. This will engage the grip safety of a 1911. You can also feel it with a DA/SA auto or revolver if the trigger catches on something and is being drawn back.

It was what I was trained to do back in the DA/SA auto days.

It's just worthless with a Glock or many striker fired pistols. I am very particular when I have to holster a Glock (my G20 or duty G22). I am very deliberate when reholstering.
 
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Regardless of his qualifications, IMHO he overstates the risks of 3 and 4 o'clock carry and understates the risks of AIWB. I'm not at all opposed to AIWB, but I do think you need to be honest about it.

His 'muzzle rods' and diagrams are static and 2 dimensional, and he doesn't really adress where that muzzle is pointed when you're moving dynamically. Most 3/4 holsters angle the muzzle back, which may endanger your buttock, but isn't going to be anywhere near the femoral artery or other important parts. Even in his AIWB demo, it's clear the gun isn't doing what he's showing in his diagram...

He really glosses over sitting, where the 3/4 carry generally doesn't even flag your body, and AIWB is at it's worst.


Carry how you want, just make sure you understand the real risks/benefits, not just what a Youtube "personality" thinks about it...

A fair and accurate synopsis of the video.
 
Many people do this, but not all.

It is very common that LE trained people put their thumb to the hammer/back of slide area of the handgun being holstered. This will engage the grip safety of a 1911. You can also feel it with a DA/SA auto or revolver if the trigger catches on something and is being drawn back.

It was what I was trained to do back in the DA/SA auto days.

It's just worthless with a Glock or many striker fired pistols. I am very particular when I have to holster a Glock (my G20 or duty G22). I am very deliberate when reholstering.

You're absolutely right, but there is a fix for this problem.

The Glock I carry AIWB wears a Striker Control Device from Tau Development Group. It doesn't inhibit normal function in the slightest, but placing your thumb on the backplate while holstering blocks the striker from moving in the event the trigger hangs on something.
 
Just don't pull the trigger with the guns barrel in you holster or in your pants ...it's that simple ...
Common Sense says : Clear Leather / Pants ...then pull the trigger !
Gary

That's all fine when you aren't under attack, but it's a fact that people lose fine muscle control when under stress. It's how the human nervous system is wired. People think they're Clint Eastwood but they're not. That's why I carry a DA 38 in a pocket.
 
You're absolutely right, but there is a fix for this problem.

The Glock I carry AIWB wears a Striker Control Device from Tau Development Group. It doesn't inhibit normal function in the slightest, but placing your thumb on the backplate while holstering blocks the striker from moving in the event the trigger hangs on something.

True, could do on my personal. Can't on the duty (policy re altering/customizing) though where it would be most useful...
 
Frailer;141330And why was he practicing holstering at all? .[/QUOTE said:
Because after the "draw and shoot" sequence we think about and train for you have to do something with the gun, while still pumped with adrenaline. Reholstering needs to be second nature, wherever you wear the holster. Of course the practice should be done with an unloaded gun.
 
This is a very interesting post full of good information on both sides.
I hope nobody minds if I put my 2 cents in.
I have been carrying a sidearm a long time. Mostly at the 3-4o'clock position.
I now carry AIWB, as I got older I found it harder to access and reholster my sidearm at the 3 and 4 o'clock position. OWB is hard for me to conceal, especially in the summer, because I am of thin stature.
I cannot see my holster when reholstering at 3-4. while I really don't like Kydex holster they are the way to go for IWB. They stay open and make reholstering a lot safer in my opinion.
I holster my P365XL before I put it in my pants and take it out of my pants in the holster. If, God forbid, I have to use it putting it back in my holster will be easier with a Kydex holster and being able to see it.
AIWB is not for everyone and everyone should carry the way they want.
Carrying a side arm is dangerous, carry in a way that makes you the most comfortable. But once you decide stick with it and practice till it's second nature.
As I said just my 2 cents, YMMV.
 
Carrying a side arm is dangerous, carry in a way that makes you the most comfortable.

I think that's the key. I'm probably can't change anyone's mind on here and I doubt they'll change mine.

We can all think of horror stories like people falling on their back and a *** holster causing spine damage, an arm injury keeping a holster in "whatever" o'clock being inaccessible, etc. But after having a family member LEO get into a struggle with someone over his duty weapon, I've thought about fighting with someone with my gun in appendix carry. That's not my primary concern, but one I don't remember hearing about.
 
Someone once said, "In a gun fight, you want the gun pointed at the other guys *****, not yours."

That's what I think about AIWB carry.
 
Oy vey.

I only carry in the waistband between my zipper and right front pocket. All the time. No belt.

I did this when I was working and made many draws in real life. When it was time to reholster I would pop the holster out with my left hand, put the gun in it, and then put the gun and holster back in place. Easy.

Its not rocket science fellas.
 
Oy vey.

I only carry in the waistband between my zipper and right front pocket. All the time. No belt.

I did this when I was working and made many draws in real life. When it was time to reholster I would pop the holster out with my left hand, put the gun in it, and then put the gun and holster back in place. Easy.

Its not rocket science fellas.

I think taking the holster off is the only truly safe way.
 
I think taking the holster off is the only truly safe way.

Another safe way is to holster slowly and carefully, with full view that nothing is blocking the holster (IOW, it is clear of any obstruction, best seen by looking straight down into the AIWB holster); finger off the trigger. Or even better, if you have a hammer down DA gun, with your firing side thumb on the hammer to feel if the trigger is pulling the hammer back from an obstruction. Have the holster bottom tipped away from your body as you holster, so if there is a ND the bullet misses the body. Easy to do with AIWB.

Once properly holstered in a safe, fitted holster, the gun cannot go off.

So drawing becomes the next potential danger point. But the trigger cannot move backwards to fire the gun while the gun is being drawn. Only when the trigger clears the holster can a negligent shooter get his finger on the trigger before pointing toward the target and possibly ND the gun. That's a training/dry practice/timing issue which should be ingrained before carrying the gun with live rounds—in any carry position.

Follow these rules for any carry position and you will not shoot yourself. Skimp on training and practice, skimp on a substandard holster/belt/attachment rig; wear it in silly positions with no visibility for holstering and/or with the trigger unprotected, and you are not carrying safely.

If there are any reports of one using a modern/safe gun in a properly fitted/mounted holster AIWB shooting his privates or femoral, I haven't seen them. There may be a few where the one responsible did not follow safety rules, was ignorant, negligent, or whatever, but such folks are going to hurt themselves somehow someway any way. It's not the fault of the carry position.

I literally have six years under my belt AIWB, and I truly believe it is at least as safe, done properly, as any other carry position. It is not for everyone because people set up blocks in their minds and don't truly investigate and try things new to them to make their own decisions, instead deciding based on incorrect internet lore, improper assumptions, and fear.

Here's a recap (can't get to the original story) of an officer who while holstering shot himself in the buttocks and died. Does this one instance mean that no one can safely holster a gun where he might shoot his buttocks? No, it doesn't. It means this one person performed a negligent action and paid the ultimate price. Too bad, but there is more to the story as to how his negligence killed him. The same is true for Post #23, which also lack the link to the full article explaining what types of negligence contributed to this tragedy. Certainly practicing something new with a loaded gun rather than dry is a bad start.
 

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I'm not afraid to appendix carry my EDC choices. I will continue to carry IWB just before my hip bone.

My EDC weapon choice is a S&W model 3953 or a 4053, and both are DAO.

I will never carry a striker fired pistol AIWB even though I am very cautious holstering and drawing my weapon.
 
Once all the appendix carriers bleed out and all.the revolver carriers get killed in gang attack shootouts because they ran out of ammo,all that will be left is the hip carrying hicap owners running and gunning, reloading on the move in John wick style shootouts. You will reign supreme.


A real world example of Darwinian natural selection.
 

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