Any Old Timers Remember The Great "Post Count Flush Job"

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I remember Silver Corvett well (now that you mention him). Hope he didn't go broke buying ammo for the Thompson. I see Many at the big Tulsa, but not regularly.

I am going to do a walk thru at the Dallas Market Hall show today. My wife is attending an event over on Mockingbird Ln. so I'll check & see if there is anything left to see. Lots of OLD friends to visit.

My wife & I was raised in Dallas but everytime we go back, I think "This is the last time". (Never works out that way though). Traffic is unblievable there. Of course, when I lived there, Central Expressway was the only 4 lane. They were working on Hwy 75 when I left in 1962 & they are still working on it.( and every other hwy. in, out & in the middle)

Better leave if I'm going to make it to Big D in time. Wish me luck.



Art
 
Many "LowrdrFXR" is a great guy. He and I and Tom 230FMJ stay in touch. BruceHMX is still lurking and posts once in a while. I can remember nights when I would have the entire board to myself, and then Michael Stern would pop in. I remember being on the forum when the first planes hit the World Trade Center....
 
I remember that I was closing in on the "magic 1000th post" and suddenly being back at 100 or so. The big deal about it to me was that I'm a graduate of the Hunt and Peck School of One Finger Typing. It's taking me forever to get back to where I was. Maybe I need to post daily in the welcome to the new member section until I pass my old count.
 
I was at 2K, coming up on 2K again. No big deal. I miss some of the "philosophers" like Shortranger and Jim Shugart. I don't miss cussing out Homerboy who questioned my patriotism because I don't love the government. I would have gotten a lifetime ban for my language. Life is better here now although the new topics I start in the lounge are "chunky or creamy peanut butter?" Joe
 
I remember it. I did not worry about it and have completely recovered.:D
 
What ever happened to either of them?

The Shug is still poking around... I correspond with him frequently. The atmosphere of the SiG forum seems to be more of his liking... Shortranger and I spoke last Christmas. He was dealing with a health challenge but just as irascible as ever....
 
I do much more reading than posting, so I only lost 200+ posts.

I too wondered what happened to silver corvette.

Can someone refresh my memory of the firefighter from British Columbia, Canada. He had a nice 1930 something Ford hotrod. Just can't remember his name or what he posted under.

Thanks,
Don
 
Don,

That would be Jake Reynolds aka: Da Snake...

He retired, sold off most of his properties, bought a kick-butt truck and camper, and toured the states. He and his wife May, dropped by here for several days and we drank beer, hung out on my deck, ate lobster every night for near a week. Then they disappeared into the south and west, next stop was DWFan I think.... what good company they were.

Drew
 
V-35 (and any others in the area),

I'm at table F20-21 just inside the front door. Stop by and say hello.

Bob

Bob, I didn't get your post until after I returned home. I would have liked to have visited with you as I did several others there. Were you on the I-35 side of the main door or the loading door side? I think i probable saw you as I visited both sides of the wall tables but having never met you (that I know of) & not receiving your post before I left, I was unaware. I'll try to do better next time. Thanks for the invite. I did have a good time.


Art
 
Art,

Sorry I missed you. I was toward the loading dock side, but on the aisle just to the left of the entrance, not on the wall.

I have the same tables each time but I may try to get someone to take it next show because it is Thanksgiving weekend and it would be prudent for me to spend some family time (Don't know if the planners at the Dallas Arms Show don't have families or what but they do it every year!)

Bob
 
I can recall being taken aback a little bit by the sudden realization that so many hours of effort trying to add value to the collective body of reference material being amassed (in the hope that it would help this forum build membership momentum) were forever lost to an unfortunate error that likely could have been avoided with a little more forethought and consideration of the collective value of the member contributions and the time and effort expended to create meaningful posts. My posts went back to the very beginning of this forum.

Sorry you were taken back, but your facts are not correct. This applies to most of the posts in this thread, yours just happend to be the one to cause me to hit reply.

As the man who "Killed the post counts" I can tell you exactly what happened and what didn't happen.

Not ONE post was deleted because of the software change.

Not ONE post was deleted because of the software change.

Not ONE post was deleted because of the software change
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The original owner of the forum was constantly "trimming" the forum by deleting older posts. Prior to the move to the new software, Lee was trimming old posts. It was a fiscal thing, they were paying "by the postcount" for the service and would trim anything over 200k posts on the forum (I think 200k was the number - I might be wrong about that). It is hard to find any posts older than 2007.

When we moved the forum to the new software, post counts were reset to the actual number of posts you had on the forum at that moment. Since the software conversion, not one post has been trimmed, nor will there every be "trimming" of the post database.

So class:

How many posts were deleted on during "The Great Post Count Flush Job"????

NONE.

Did everyone get that? NONE.

"Little Johnny, can you tell the class now many NONE is?" "Yes teacher, NONE is equal to Zero, Zilch, NADA, Nothing, Bupkis, NOT ONE."

So, to review, NONE of the "collective wisdom" of this forum was deleted during the software conversion of 2009, (Class do we remember how much NONE is?) those posts were deleted long before by the original owner.

Once again, how many posts were deleted during the conversion? NONE.

As to this comment:" a little more forethought and consideration of the collective value of the member contributions and the time and effort expended to create meaningful posts":

A ton of forethought and consideration went into the move. As I am the only person who has successfully transferred data out of the old software we were running (at that time). It had never been done successfully before. Were it not for the "forethought and consideration" put into the move, we would still be running the old software, we would have 1/5 the number of posts, or we would have started the new software with no posts at all. If we had not moved the forum it would have died and gone away and your "collective value" would have been completely gone.

I am personally glad all of you are still around (ok just most of you). I too miss some of the guys who don't post as much anymore.

Just to review: How many posts were deleted? - NONE
 
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Sorry you were taken back, but your facts are not correct. This applies to most of the posts in this thread, yours just happend to be the one to cause me to hit reply.
As the man who "Killed the post counts" I can tell you exactly what happened and what didn't happen.

Not ONE post was deleted because of the software change.

Not ONE post was deleted because of the software change.

Not ONE post was deleted because of the software change.

Thank you for setting the record staight.

I'm sorry if this mistaken understanding is a source of irritation for you.

The original owner of the forum was constantly "trimming" the forum by deleting older posts. Prior to the move to the new software, Lee was trimming old posts. It was a fiscal thing, they were paying "by the postcount" for the service and would trim anything over 200k posts on the forum (I think 200k was the number - I might be wrong about that). It is hard to find any posts older than 2007.

When we moved the forum to the new software, post counts were reset to the actual number of posts you had on the forum at that moment. Since the software conversion, not one post has been trimmed, nor will there every be "trimming" of the post database.

Okay. So now we know that both the former owner [Can we not use their name?] and Lee deleted posts entirely rather than archiving them to some sort of database. Would it really been so time consuming and cost prohibitive to burn them to disk or save them to a hard drive, so that there would at least be an option down the road to make the data somehow accessible again?

Other may feel differently, but I really could care less about lost post counts. For me, the information shared in those lost posts and the ability to search a vastly large database of information is the only meaningful loss here.

So, to review, NONE of the "collective wisdom" of this forum was deleted during the software conversion of 2009, (Class do we remember how much NONE is?) those posts were deleted long before by the original owner.

While you are relieved of any blame here, it doesn't change the fact that posts were deleted and no attempt was made to find a means of archieving the forum member's data before flushing it. You also seem to be contradicting what you said above about Lee trimming posts prior to the software conversion, which tell us there is at least some shared blame for post deletion.

As to this comment:" a little more forethought and consideration of the collective value of the member contributions and the time and effort expended to create meaningful posts":

A ton of forethought and consideration went into the move. As I am the only person who has successfully transferred data out of the old software we were running (at that time). It had never been done successfully before. Were it not for the "forethought and consideration" put into the move, we would still be running the old software, we would have 1/5 the number of posts, or we would have started the new software with no posts at all. If we had not moved the forum it would have died and gone away and your "collective value" would have been completely gone.

Bravo for getting the remaining (non-trimmed) data moved, but as you have pointed out already, the damage was done prior to the forum software migration. But the point remains, there was a diminishment of the "collective value" of member contributions -- regardless of who is to blame -- and neither the present or previous owner had the foresight to archive data rather than delete it.

I do understand that there is some cost involved in archiving data, but the cost of storing data from 2007 to 2009 would not likely have been so cost prohibitive as to preclude saving it. But that does not begin to cover all the posts flushed between 2000 and 2007. Had the previous owner had the foresight and wisdow to archive the data, it could have perhaps been merged in to the present database in a more useful searchable form.

But the horse is already well out of the barn and such wishful thinking is only that. The post count loss was never an issue for me, but I did have an interest in the information that was lost along the way.

Thankfully, there was a group of individuals with true foresight, who thought it important to archieve data on the Internet and developed software back in 1996 that crawled and archived data from the Web. Borrowing the name from Mr. Peabody, they called their project the Wayback Machine. Though it is not a complete archive of everthing that was lost, you can find archived S&W Forum data going back to 2000.

Check it out here: Internet Archive Wayback Machine

I am personally glad all of you are still around (ok just most of you). I too miss some of the guys who don't post as much anymore.

Just to review: How many posts were deleted? - NONE

None because of the software change, but still too many overall.
 
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"You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Dave, da do da do...";)

Bob
 
"You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Dave, da do da do...";)

Bob

I've always been a Jim Croce fan. On the off chance that my humor does not translate well, I did a little selective snipping.
 
I remember it. Stuff happens. Big deal. I do remember Saxon Pig posted a lot before the "great post count crash." Still see him here every now and then, always enjoy his posts. I do miss being able to discuss politics. Some of us unleashed some real on-target beauts; I got a lot of chuckles over "caption this picture" contests. But don't get me started... my wrist has been slapped raw already! :D

John
 
That's right-
Don't blame the IT Guy! :D

I suppose everyone missed the part about Dave successfully transferring our data from Groupee to here, especially the part about that had never been done successfully before.

Dave and I both get a little frustrated when this comes up.
I realize this explanation is a little long:
Post Counts LOST ! ! -- Post Counts LOST !
but it has been on constant display for 3 years and 26 days as I type this, here- Announcements & Rules

as you have pointed out already, the damage was done prior to the forum software migration. But the point remains, there was a diminishment of the "collective value" of member contributions -- regardless of who is to blame -- and neither the present or previous owner had the foresight to archive data rather than delete it.
I was going to type out the long and detailed story of just what a difficult and worrisome time buying this board was.
Instead, I'll just go with the abridged version.
I was offered the board in a phone call. I had to commit at that moment, or parabellum, the former owner threatened to:
"shut it down, delete the content, and close the Groupee account to get this monkey off my back."
He was fed up.
So, I bought it.
I instantly changed the tone and The Rules to shut down the "Wild West" and change this board to one of the most civil on the net. The pushback and complaining were heavy and constant.
There was NO Moderator staff left in place when I took over. I also had to deal with burying my only sibling the first week I owned the board after a 5 week illness.
I'm not a computer or IT guy. I had 15 minutes of instruction the day I took over. I learned by examining the controls and through trial and error. The following 6 months are just a blur of 14-18 hour days of stress, work, and outgoing cash. For about 2 years, being self employed allowed me to devote the majority of my time to this board. It also allowed me to incur nearly $200,000 in debt between the actual expenses/purchase and loss of income over those two years.

So, YES, I pruned content for a 4 month period (out of the total 12+ years) till we could get it moved to a more economical host. In case you care, the exorbitant hosting fee I was paying would go up by 91% when the total posts reached 275,001.
NO pruning or deleting has been done since the move in June, 09, and no content of any value will ever be pruned again.
ETA- the 250,000 or less posts that we moved now number 1,900,084 as of this moment.

Foresight?
Pal, if I had foresight, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
This board wouldn't be here.
I would not have given years of my time and most of a gun and grip collection to save this board and put up with your (and similar) whining and armchair quarterbacking. :rolleyes:

So, here we are, at where we are today.
I'd suggest just getting over it, and moving forward from here.
Or, you could go moan to parabellum about all the valuable data he deleted. He is readily available on the Sig forum. SIGforum.com --A discussion forum for SIG enthusiasts
Lemme know how that goes. :D
Or, you can put YOUR money where your mouth is, and trot on over to Internet Archive Wayback Machine and get all that data into a form we can upload into an archive cheaply and easily and we'll be glad to do it. ;)
Get with Dave on that. He's the IT Guy. I can't fix much. :D

Don't feel obligated to respond.
I don't really care if you ever share your vast knowledge here again. ;)

There.
That was cathartic.
I needed that.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
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