Any Smith & Wesson revolvers shipped to tobacco companies, especially 1900 to 1904?

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Any Smith & Wesson revolvers shipped to tobacco companies, especially 1900 to 1904?

Before I begin, I would think the most likely candidate for this might be the Safety Hammerless models, but early Hand Ejectors, such as the .22 and .32 Hand Ejector Models or the Model of 1903 might have been candidates as well.

I have posted photographs of a Catalogue of Presents dating from late 1901 or 1902, as my research indicates these Catalogues were issued November of each year for the following year, and this Catalogue was for incentives available from November of 1901 through November of 1902. One could redeem cigar tags from Floradora Cigars and other makers, and my understanding is that each tag was for two cigars, and so the redemption of 1500 tags would have required one to smoke, or at least purchase, 3000 cigars.

This catalogue is approximately 72 pages in length and I posted the colour graphics, with the exception of those pertaining to revolvers, as the colour graphics tend to be quite good, and the black & white ones are less exciting.

You could redeem these tags for virtually any conceivable household item that was necessary (or unnecessary) for day to day live in the first few years of the 20th Century.

The revolver black & white graphics are posted (and longarms were available as well). As one can see, the Colt Model 1877 with a 4 1/2" barrel, blued finish, with ejector, in .38 cal (the Lightning Model) was an incentive that was available in 1902, when this catalogue dates from, and probably at least 1900 to 1904, as the following information suggests:

By 1894 production of the Colt Model 1877 had trickled to less than 5,000 units yearly, in most years well under this number. Here are production figures (approximate) from 1898 until the end of production:

1898--2300, approximately 107,500
1899--4000
1900--7200
1901--7600
1902--9700
1903--8500
1904--7700
1905--2800
1906--3000
1907--2000
1908--1000
1909--1849, to serial number 166,849 and the end of production

So, is the serial number range from 1900, approximately 115,500 to the end of 1904 (1905 begins with approximately 156,200, "prime" range for tobacco guns?

What, otherwise, would account for the upsurge? It would be interesting to know if the VAST majority of production was Lightnings in that time frame, IF, as it seems, only Lightnings were available by redeeming tobacco tags.

I am really, really surprised that Smith & Wesson revolvers were not available as an incentive, as they were vastly more popular (vis a vis the Safety Hammerless Model, and others) during this time frame than the Colt Lightning Model. Many shipments of 25 or 50 revolvers, or even more, are lettering during this time frame as having shipped to a tobacco company. Now, in 1902, it appears that Smith & Wesson revolvers were not offered as a redeemable incentive. My question is were they ever available at all, during other years, or I guess to solve the question, do any of you own a Smith & Wesson revolver that shipped to a tobacco company as per a Roy Jinks letter?
 

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And here is a Colt 1877 Lightning, circa 1904, that I recently purchased. I await the Colt Letter on it, but it is the right time frame and configuration to be a tobacco gun. I also attached the graphic from the 1902 Catalogue of Presents that demonstrates that 1500 tags were required to redeem said revolver. My understanding is that later catalogues required the redemption of 1800 tags (or the purchase of 3600 cigars), which proves that inflation was a concern even then.
 

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I enjoy an occasional cigar. Especially with a snifter of a fine port. I can't imagine smoking that many - 3600!!! You would have to be in an iron lung shortly afterwards if you even lived through it.
 
I enjoy an occasional cigar. Especially with a snifter of a fine port. I can't imagine smoking that many - 3600!!! You would have to be in an iron lung shortly afterwards if you even lived through it.

Please refer to the following:

History_1860-1960

1899 - per capital U S consumption was 5 pounds of tobacco annually.

1900 - There were over 20,000 cigar factories in the U S, the largest of which produced 20,000 boxes a day, but the average was 4,000 boxes annually.

To redeem the incentive, I assume many saved cigar tags over several years, despite the high consumption of some.

Mark Twain smoked 22 cigars a day, which is slightly over 8,000 a year. He could have redeemed tags for two Colt Lightnings annually and have had several hundred tags left over.

Famous Cigar Smokers: Mark Twain | James J Fox Blog
 
My mother used to work in a cigar factory, in Richmond, rolling cigars, in her younger days. That would have been right after WWII. I still have her union dues book, showing where she paid her union dues every...well, whatever it was. I've forgotten now.
 
Amazing that Americans smoked that much back then. 5 pounds per person would have included non - smokers like all of my ancestors. In 1900, the expectation for white men was to live to age 47 and 12 percent of those born in 1900 would make it to age 65. White men born in 1950 had a life expectancy of 67 – which today is the age of retirement. Someone like Mark Twain was the exception, he lived to a very ripe old age in spite of his bad habits.

It means those who lived long enough to merit a free revolver certainly earned it.
 
Ian, I doubt that any lettered S&Ws would indicate a tobacco company as the destination of the shipment as the S&W policy was to ship only to S&W distributors, except for Service dept special orders, like a target gun to a famous shooter, or a sample gun sent for testing, etc. A tobacco co. wanting a large shipment would have had to order thru a distributor, so the factory letter would only say it went to that distributor. Ed
 
As it's nearly been a day since I posted this thread, and a multitude of individuals, or even one, have not chimed in that they own a revolver that shipped to a tobacco company, I asked the Great and Powerful Oz (also known as Dr Jinks) over on the private side, if he recalls ever lettering a firearm that shipped to a tobacco company.

If this turns out not to be the case, it's rather disappointing! However, I suppose Smith & Wesson revolvers that were competitors to the Colt Model 1877 were not facing such diminished sales, and perhaps Smith & Wesson did not need to contract to sell revolvers in bulk, presumably at a discount, to tobacco companies.

I believe the economy during the early 1900s was sound and expanding up until the Panic of 1907, which post dates the prime time frame involved.

Panic of 1907 - Wikipedia
 
Colt shipped Revolvers?

Ian,
There is a list floating around....I'm pretty sure I have it in my data base....The list contains a very accurate list of all the Distributors and companies that Colt shipped revolvers too but I'm not sure if the list includes post 1900 shipping data....I'll have to look through my files....Even if I can't find it I know 3 collectors that have it... I think it does have post 1900 data though since some of the Rainmakers were shipped post 1900 so those files would have been included.

The reason it's been basically made public is due to many authors visiting the Colt factory and writing down what they read from the original factory records by permission of the historical department....The factory did not allow hard copies to be made but notes were ok.....Then the authors passed away, unfortunately and the information was passed around by widows so basically a lot of the colt records are very public now...At least a significant portion of them are....That includes the Colt lightning records big time.

I was communicating a lot with the late Mr. Skinner when he also passed away from a stroke not long after visiting the Colt Factory several times and recording a lot of the lightning info.... His book was never published but those records ended up being passed to another soon to be author writing a book on the Colt lightning. His name is Russ...The last communication with him was regarding the Express guns. So the Colt records are far from confidential now.

Murph
 
I doubt that any lettered S&Ws would indicate a tobacco company as the destination of the shipment as the S&W policy was to ship only to S&W distributors, except for Service dept special orders, like a target gun to a famous shooter, or a sample gun sent for testing, etc. A tobacco co. wanting a large shipment would have had to order thru a distributor, so the factory letter would only say it went to that distributor. Ed

In the meantime, prior to my reading this response, I did ask the question of Dr Jinks.

You probably are correct and I didn't even think of that.

Let's see what Dr Jinks has to say, nonetheless.

I guess my question now should be has anyone in their possession a "Catalogue of Presents", or other similar publication, in their collection that clearly demonstrates that at any point in time, that the proof of purchase of many cigars was redeemable for any model of Smith & Wesson revolver?

I guess revolvers and cigars just go hand in hand...
 
It's hard to imagine in today's culture there was a time you could smoke thousands of cigars to earn a free revolver. It was a tool pure and simple. Not the portrayed evil they are today.

My mother saved Stokely canned vegetable labels to earn me a little red wagon. Other family members contributed to the effort. What a day that was when it came in the mail. I wish I still had it.

Thanks for posting this.
 
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