Anyone know which serial #'s had "the fix" for the 15-22?
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That's the problem.
We buy them under the impression that they have been worked over and been through the QC specs of any normal functioning .22.
I'll be honest.. I went into my gunshop looking for a kel tec SU-22 and I was going to deck it out to look like an AR. The lady pointed at the S&W and aesthetically, it looked awesome!! On top of that, it was made by a reputable company which supposedly already has a damn good AR. My last concern was the fact that it seems like S&W rushed them out the door onto the production line. I was more bummed about it only having a 25 round capacity rather than a 27-30..
Oh well. Live and learn.
I'm not trying to be pessimistic. I haven't even had a problem YET.. It just seems inevitable after reading other posts. What are the odds the gun shop will take it back? lol
I completely agree. You don't buy a new gun just to have it worked on. But I exhausted searches between all the ar type 22's and it came down to the ruger sr 22 and the smith. The weight was the deciding factor and I have so many 10 22's. Every gun I own has spent some time at the gunsmith, I believe I am gonna go ahead and let him tinker a bit with it just to see if I have a potential problem gun. Let him make sure everything is properly lined up and a rocket isn't attached to the extractor.
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Good point, and you're right of course.
Some of the criticism stems from my expectations of S&W, which are probably too high.
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ThomasH to date neither my Colt M4 .22 or GSG-5 has had one problem concerning the actual "safety" of the gun firing out of battery or anything like that. Why people like to attack another firearm when theirs is attacked is beyond me. IMO, a rimfire should never "blow up"; I'm amazed that S&W hasn't issued a nation wide recall over these things. The potential for injury is enourmous with these guns.
I own a GSG-5. IMO. It's a poorly designed, overpriced, pot metal, POS. It's an airsoft rifle designed to shoot rimfire ammunition. Sure, it's fun to shoot when it works, but that's true of any firearm. But, it's even more picky about ammo then the 15-22. Maintenance and cleaning is a royal PITA. If you tear it down for a detailed cleaning more than a few times, your likely to have to start replacing screws as the cheap pot metal and aluminum parts and cheap fasteners start to strip out. I've had a few OOB's that required full detailed strip to correct. Granted, the OOB's didn't result in any damage to the rifle, but it still happened. About the only thing well designed are the sturdy magazines. The ONLY reason they were so successful is they were pretty much the only ones in the game. Even if my GSG-5 ran reliably, it wouldn't change my opinion on the design. I still have fun with it, and the kids like it, but it doesn't change the fact it's a POS.
As far as the Umarex/Colt AR's, they are of similar design and materials. In fact, the design is even worse than the GSG-5 in some ways.
Contrast that with the S&W M&P15-22. Simple design. Every thing it needs, nothing it doesn't need. Uses standard, widely available fire control parts. Can be field stripped exactly the same way it's big brother does. Has all the same controls as it's big brother. The only real downside to the 15-22 design is that it doesn't match the weight of it's big brother. But for some, that's a benefit.
I'm sorry if you feel hurt that I think the GSG-5 and Umarex/Colt are substandard crap. It's nothing personal. If you're happy with them, enjoy them. Just calling it as I see it.
BTW, the first few runs of GSG-5's had tons of problems. There were alot of people that had to send them back multiple times for warranty service.
Your right, no firearm should ever "blow up" under normal use. And honestly, saying "blow up", for a .22 LR OOB discharge is at best disingenuous. The rifle in no way blows up. It's just the casing rupturing at the breech face. The only damage seen to these rifles on a OOB discharge has been the extractor.
As far as the potential for injury, I think your blowing that out of proportion. In fact, there is very little chance that a serious injury can occur, let alone a minor one. The risk is a little higher for left handed shooters, but for a right handed shooter, there's little or no chance of injury unless your doing something stupid.
The injuries I've heard of so far were all directly related to stupid actions/behavior.
1. trying to hold a bucket to catch the brass next to the ejection port when the OOB occured.
2. Firing a supressed 15-22 without hearing protection when the OOB occured.
As far as the recall goes, I just don't see that happening unless there is a propensity for a catastrophic failure (barrel rupture), or a defective safety feature. If anything, I think that it would be more appropriate for crappy ammo to be recalled.
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I figured that whirlwind was coming.
the first time it blew up i shot a couple of rounds then handed it to my wife , she for some reason did not want to fire it so i let my father pop of a round - THE VERY FIRST SHOT BOOOOM 
. if my wife had shot it may have hurt her becouse she collapses the stock all the way down and she is a left hander 
what about children?
. if my wife had shot it may have hurt her becouse she collapses the stock all the way down and she is a left hander what about children?Chucksolo69
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ThomasH, are you trying to tell me that you still prefer a gun that has safety issues over one that, IYO is a POS because of materials it uses in its manufacture? I can understand your dislike of the GSG-5 and the Colt, but, why defend a gun, no matter what it's made of if there is a potential for injury to the shooter or bystander. I think its time that SOMEONE admits that these guns are dangerous and should be recalled immediately; I think S&W is playing with people's safety on this. I read these forums and can't believe the number of people who have had to send these things back, some twice. Let's get real here. And before it's brought up, yes I have fired this gun and had no issues with it, it is reliable and accurate as long as it doesn't have an OOB incident. I would not buy one because I don't like plastic guns and I already own the Colt. IMO, the standard to shoot for in a "tactical" .22 is the SIG SG522.
No, I prefer a gun that works to one that doesn't. I prefer a gun that's easy to maintain to one that isn't. I prefer simple designs to complex ones. And I prefer just about any material choice over die-cast aluminum. And in my opinion, you are blowing the safety issues with this gun out of proportion.
I highly doubt you will ever see a recall with this rifle. The problems aren't nearly as numerous as you think. And the ones that do still have problems, S&W is making right.
To put it bluntly, no, it's not.
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It's interesting that a lot of you are in denial. Why do we keep seeing these posts of the rifle blowing extractors with OOBs? Time to call a spade a spade.
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why is it that all of you consider the tiny minority of 15-22 owners here to be representative of the entire 15-22 ownership community. very few people in general will take the time to write letters, make phone calls, or post messages on forums like this to tell the world and manufacturer how well their product is made or how good of an experience they are having. on the contrary, it's those whose expectations are not met who make the loudest noise.
are there some issues with some of the 15-22's that went out? i'm sure there were/are. do i think smith is handling the problem appropriately? i sure do.
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ChuckSolo69,
I doubt you'll find another rife Forum where folks are more candid about the shortcomings of their rifle than you'll find here among 15-22 owners. Do you own a 15-22? If not, then maybe you should buy one so you'll have something to complain about other than at Forum members here for not agreeing with you.
Cheers.... it's cool.
I've got a DTU9### serial number and haven't put a round through it since puchased at the Marlboro gun show mid Jan.
It's not what you think, it's for my son. He turns 7 in May and it's time. All I am waiting for is the Trijicon RX30 from Botach to mount then it will be ready - like I said in the other thread should be plenty of time.
The only protential issue I can think of is he is a lefty.
Would anyone not let him fire it until it has at least 100 rounds and a cleaning or two done? Or should I sit him down, show him how to clean it, take him to the range and let him have at it?
It's not what you think, it's for my son. He turns 7 in May and it's time. All I am waiting for is the Trijicon RX30 from Botach to mount then it will be ready - like I said in the other thread should be plenty of time.
The only protential issue I can think of is he is a lefty.
Would anyone not let him fire it until it has at least 100 rounds and a cleaning or two done? Or should I sit him down, show him how to clean it, take him to the range and let him have at it?
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