Anyone notice this issue with their Shield?

[blujax01]

As far as I have read, no one can make it happen when holstering or unholstering. What I see in the video reminds me of what happens if I don't place enough pressure on my car door when I close it. It hangs up on the first latch and fails to close completely. Of course, anyone can make theirs do that and it is expected that we will figure out how to properly close a car door.

The supposed "defect" that is being induced is just the act of carefully balancing the springs against the friction.

Anyone truly concerned about this and whether it will be a problem in a "real world" situation should do as others have suggested, practice drawing 50, 500, 5000 times. Whatever it takes to convince you that this is a parlor trick and nothing more.

And to those who insist that even if it works 5000 out of 5000 times, that this is not enough evidence to convince you that this supposed "issue" doesn't need to be "fixed" well, ...

 

[IllinoisCCW]

Now that's funny right there that is. It don't matter who you are that's just funny!
It should be called "Idiotic Draw", or "Get yerseff killed draw", or even "I wish like hell I had thought this through before I did it draw".

I'm glad someone appreciates good sarcasm. It just shows you how way off track these forums can go.

Now can we please end this one? It's not an issue!

Maybe I can start a new thread titled..."Israeli Draw, Your An Idiot Not To Use It.". I bet that will give members something new to go off the deep end with.

 

[Maximumbob54]

My 40c and 9c don't have this issue. The 40c was bought used and is thrashed at the range with SWC's as often as I can go. The 9c is brand new and only has the first 50 WWB through it. I can't even get either one to come close to this problem. I tried it on my 1911's, 92FS, PT92, and a few others. The 92FS started to hang up but snapped forward after a half second's pause.

 

[jjwhitney]

Did you have your clip loaded in the SHIELD??

Yes, the clip was loaded when I tried it. I agree with bluejax. It's nothing more than a parlor trick. Under normal PROPER operation, this will be a non issue.

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[Lost Lake]

If any of my M&P's did it I would have them REPAIRED.
Why would I stake my life on a weapon that may not fire?

I understand you guys can make other guns do this. I can make my semi-auto rifles do this too. But I don't put my rifle in my pocket or on my waist and expect to have to pull it out to defend my life while I'm being stabbed.

Gun comes out, gun goes bang, no worries about being in battery or not. Anything less is not acceptable to me. Your milage may vary.

 

[Aahzz]

If any of my M&P's did it I would have them REPAIRED.
Why would I stake my life on a weapon that may not fire?

I understand you guys can make other guns do this. I can make my semi-auto rifles do this too. But I don't put my rifle in my pocket or on my waist and expect to have to pull it out to defend my life while I'm being stabbed.

Gun comes out, gun goes bang, no worries about being in battery or not. Anything less is not acceptable to me. Your milage may vary.

Yes, but I CANNOT make mine do this by putting it into or removing it from a holster, either a pocket holster or my OWB kydex holster. I have tried, multiple times. The ONLY way I can make it go out of battery is by pushing the slide back manually, and it takes enough force that I have zero worries about it happening by accident.

 

[El Zilcho]

What is the "Israeli draw"? I'm assuming it's dumb.

 

[Aahzz]

What is the "Israeli draw"? I'm assuming it's dumb.

Carry chamber empty, and rack the slide when drawing the pistol.

pistol-training.com » Blog Archive » The "Israeli" Draw

 

[shipwreck]

What is the "Israeli draw"? I'm assuming it's dumb.

People leave the chamber empty, then they delude themselves that if something happens, they WILL have time to not only draw the gun, FULLY work the slide to chamber a round (and not short stroke it in a situation full of stress and adrenaline) and THEN get the gun on target to shoot...

 

[El Zilcho]

Yep. That sure is dumb. Might as well chuck the gun at the bad guy.

 

[kris7047th]

Yep. That sure is dumb. Might as well chuck the gun at the bad guy.

Better get a 1911, 'cause plastic guns are too light and don't make as good of hammers

 

[Vespers]

This thread is turning into a real soap opera!!!

 

[kris7047th]

This thread is turning into a real soap opera!!!

It was from the start.

 

[Lost Lake]

Yes, but I CANNOT make mine do this by putting it into or removing it from a holster, either a pocket holster or my OWB kydex holster. I have tried, multiple times. The ONLY way I can make it go out of battery is by pushing the slide back manually, and it takes enough force that I have zero worries about it happening by accident.

This entire thread is based on the OP stating the gun was taken from their pocket and the slide was out of battery.

It doesn't matter to me if you always have your thumb on the slide.

It doesn't matter if Versace himself designed you a holster so perfect the slide is pampered into position.

It doesn't matter to me if you can easily push the slide forward.

If I can pull my life-saving-device from my pocket, backpack, from the ground or wherever it happens to be, and bump it, rub it, maybe I'm pinned down and I have to drag the gun across the slide to point it at the bad guy, whatever! If it EVER doesn't go bang I can't depend on it!

If somehow the gun can be repetitively made to be completely inoperable, I don't want to bet my life on it when there are so many other guns that don't have this flaw. Period. I can't believe I'm reading when you say "Yes, I easily moved the slide an 1/8" and the gun didn't reset itself and will not fire, but I trust it with my life".

My M&P's do not do this. I'll carry one of them or a revolver. If I had a gun that did this I would have it repaired or sell it.

It's a flaw. Get over it.

It's as bad as a safety that comes on at random. Sure you can be sure to swipe the safety off every time, just like you better be sure to push the slide forward on your defective semi-auto's.

I'll carry a gun that doesn't require babysitting, but goes bang when I need it to.

I really thought many of you were more realistic than this. It's a flaw that CAN be fixed.

 

[Storm40]

It's a flaw. Get over it.

It's as bad as a safety that comes on at random. Sure you can be sure to swipe the safety off every time, just like you better be sure to push the slide forward on your defective semi-auto's.

I'll carry a gun that doesn't require babysitting, but goes bang when I need it to.

I really thought many of you were more realistic than this. It's a flaw that CAN be fixed.

I suppose then that my Glock, XD, XDM, Ruger, and Taurus firearms which exhibit this behavior are all flawed even though they all have gone bang when it was required of them. I also would not foolishly pocket a firearm without a holster. The supposed flaw has never been exhibited when drawing out of a holster.

 

[shipwreck]

It's a flaw. Get over it.

 

[Lost Lake]

I suppose then that my Glock, XD, XDM, Ruger, and Taurus firearms which exhibit this behavior are all flawed even though they all have gone bang when it was required of them. I also would not foolishly pocket a firearm without a holster. The supposed flaw has never been exhibited when drawing out of a holster.

Never is a big word.

When a guy can make a firearm fail so easily what good is it?

My 9c slide moves in my Mika holster, but it always goes back into battery. If it didn't, I wouldn't carry it. That's my position, you can do as you wish.

But I see some of the same people who will not have a safety because of the chance it may click on, or it may take 1/1000 of a second to take off, those same people are saying a gun that may not work because the slide return spring is too weak or the slide is binding, well that's okay.

I'm saying on a SD weapon it isn't for me. On a range gun, fine! Hunting gun, fine! Lifesaver I need to depend on? No way.

 

[Storm40]

Never is a big word.

When a guy can make a firearm fail so easily what good is it?

My 9c slide moves in my Mika holster, but it always goes back into battery. If it didn't, I wouldn't carry it. That's my position, you can do as you wish.

But I see some of the same people who will not have a safety because of the chance it may click on, or it may take 1/1000 of a second to take off, those same people are saying a gun that may not work because the slide return spring is too weak or the slide is binding, well that's okay.

I'm saying on a SD weapon it isn't for me. On a range gun, fine! Hunting gun, fine! Lifesaver I need to depend on? No way.

Mine do not move at all while in a holster and I make sure they are in battery when they are holstered as prudence and my training calls for. I depend on them in and out of the field on a daily basis. If my holster behaved like yours I would replace that as it seems it is not snug enough. Scratch that, I do not have time to replace my holster since I need to get rid of all of my faulty firearms. That is going to be a lot of work.

 

[Fercho64]

This entire thread is based on the OP stating the gun was taken from their pocket and the slide was out of battery.

It doesn't matter to me if you always have your thumb on the slide.

It doesn't matter if Versace himself designed you a holster so perfect the slide is pampered into position.

It doesn't matter to me if you can easily push the slide forward.

If I can pull my life-saving-device from my pocket, backpack, from the ground or wherever it happens to be, and bump it, rub it, maybe I'm pinned down and I have to drag the gun across the slide to point it at the bad guy, whatever! If it EVER doesn't go bang I can't depend on it!

If somehow the gun can be repetitively made to be completely inoperable, I don't want to bet my life on it when there are so many other guns that don't have this flaw. Period. I can't believe I'm reading when you say "Yes, I easily moved the slide an 1/8" and the gun didn't reset itself and will not fire, but I trust it with my life".

My M&P's do not do this. I'll carry one of them or a revolver. If I had a gun that did this I would have it repaired or sell it.

It's a flaw. Get over it.

It's as bad as a safety that comes on at random. Sure you can be sure to swipe the safety off every time, just like you better be sure to push the slide forward on your defective semi-auto's.

I'll carry a gun that doesn't require babysitting, but goes bang when I need it to.

I really thought many of you were more realistic than this. It's a flaw that CAN be fixed.

EXACTLY. I am with you 100%.

 

[Maximumbob54]

Israeli carry...

We called it Condition 3 in the USN. At least it was better than Condition 4 where you couldn't have the mag in the gun.

 

[Pointblank2U]

My Shield does this also but so does my Glock 27 and most of my other striker fired firearms. Careful holstering makes this a non-issue. I have drawn and holstered from a DeSantis Speed Scabbard made for a M&P9c with no problems whatsoever.

That's BS on the Glock 27 doing it, sure it might push back if you don't put you thumb on it as you reholster, but it goes back into battery on it's own. I've been carrying the 26 and 27 in pocket holsters and many other type holsters for many years. This never happened, not even with a new gun.

 

[DocGlock]

That's BS on the Glock 27 doing it, sure it might push back if you don't put you thumb on it as you reholster, but it goes back into battery on it's own. I've been carrying the 26 and 27 in pocket holsters and many other type holsters for many years. This never happened, not even with a new gun.

Just because yours has never done it has nothing to do with someone elses G27 doing it.

 

[Aahzz]

Just because yours has never done it has nothing to do with someone elses G27 doing it.

But Glocks are *perfection*.....


snort

 

[mesinge2]

People leave the chamber empty, then they delude themselves that if something happens, they WILL have time to not only draw the gun, FULLY work the slide to chamber a round (and not short stroke it in a situation full of stress and adrenaline) and THEN get the gun on target to shoot...

I learned something here. I have never heard that term before!

 

[mesinge2]

For those worrying, I will buy your poor defective shield pistols for half the price {because they're defective you know}. This way you can recoup some of your loss and I can have an extra Shield or two!

 

[Nakanokalronin]

I learned something here. I have never heard that term before!

Only Israeli ninjas can accomplish such a feat.

The Israeli Instinctive Combat Shooting Method: AGI 301 - YouTube

It's actually taught as a technique because of the large distribution of different sidearms. Instead of teaching different manuals of arms to people, they just teach a method that can be used on any semi-auto platform. In reality, Israeli carry in America is touted by those afraid of or not trained to have one in the chamber.

Train, practice and learn your defensive sidearm like second nature all while keeping safety in mind and your finger off the trigger and there is no reason to carry in condition 3.

 

[DocGlock]

But Glocks are *perfection*.....


snort

If that's the best ya got, don't give up your day job!

 

[handejector]

What is the "Israeli draw"? I'm assuming it's dumb.

Carry chamber empty, and rack the slide when drawing the pistol.

It should be called "Idiotic Draw", or "Get yerseff killed draw", or even "I wish like hell I had thought this through before I did it draw".

Fret not-
Israel is a long way off. That's probably not legal here.

Interesting thread.
I'm looking forward to everyone saying what they've already said four more times.
Maybe it will get more interesting with repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition....................

 

[Lost Lake]

Interesting thread.
I'm looking forward to everyone saying what they've already said four more times.
Maybe it will get more interesting with repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition....................

LMAO!!!!

Now that's the best post I've read...

 

[shipwreck]

Fret not-

Interesting thread.
I'm looking forward to everyone saying what they've already said four more times.
Maybe it will get more interesting with repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition....................

U da man!