Anything but the Sig P365

[FloridaS&W]

I would never downgrade my M&P Shield 45 to a puny little 9mm pistol; especially a SIG 365 (the great train wreck of 2018). But it's nice to hear a few people are finally starting to use them without crying and complaining about their "issues." Happy Holidays to everyone and Happy New Year.

 

[00 buck]

Why do some people think they need 15 dozen bullets in a sub compact carry gun? Going to war? Zombie apocalypse? End of the world as we know it?

Because some of us have real life experience and know that one bullet just don't stop stuff in real life all that fast

Come at me with lethal intent and you're getting 2...3....maybe 4 rounds real fast and furious.

 

[Philadelphia Patriot]

I would never downgrade my M&P Shield 45 to a puny little 9mm pistol; especially a SIG 365 (the great train wreck of 2018). But it's nice to hear a few people are finally starting to use them without crying and complaining about their "issues." Happy Holidays to everyone and Happy New Year.

Do a little research on ballistics, specifically penetration, regarding 9mms and .45s. You might be a little surprised.

 

[LAA]

I would never downgrade my M&P Shield 45 to a puny little 9mm pistol; especially a SIG 365 (the great train wreck of 2018). But it's nice to hear a few people are finally starting to use them without crying and complaining about their "issues." Happy Holidays to everyone and Happy New Year.

I wouldn't either. I have both. I'll always be a fan of 45s.

 

[Lab4Us]

I would never downgrade my M&P Shield 45 to a puny little 9mm pistol; especially a SIG 365 (the great train wreck of 2018). But it's nice to hear a few people are finally starting to use them without crying and complaining about their "issues." Happy Holidays to everyone and Happy New Year.

Lol, most of the crying and complaining was done by folks who never owned, or even fired, a P365. I own a PC Shield .45...I'll be carrying the P365.

 

[mawguy]

The gun I carry most, because I carry in deep concealment, is the Ruger LCP II with an extended magazine. It is loaded with 8 rounds of Underwood Extreme Defender ammunition.

Having said that, when I don't need deep concealment, I rotate a Sig 320, a SW40VE, Ruger SR9c, Taurus PT709. All reliable, all good shooters.

The only gun I ever sent back with a malfunction was a Taurus 905, 9mm revolver. The cylinder wasn't locking up right. Fixed, no charge, good as new.

The Ruger SR9c is my vacation gun, since it carries only 10 rounds. Traveling through California I dare not have anything else. Even so, the gun is locked, ammo is separate and locked in another box and all I got is a knife, flashlight and a dirty look for defense.

As I write this, I am zooming in on a Shield 2.0 as my new carry gun. Just because. As to capacity, I have settled on the theory that gun plus one magazine is my system. Just can't see myself like Poncho Villa with double bandoleers.

 

[BE Mike]

Why do some people think they need 15 dozen bullets in a sub compact carry gun? Going to war? Zombie apocalypse? End of the world as we know it?

Pilots will say that you only have too much fuel when you are on fire. I've never heard of a person who has been in an armed encounter who said, "I wish I has less ammo!"

 

[BE Mike]

Lab4Us has hit the nail on the head. Only people who have tried out a Sig P365 have valid reasons not to own one. The overwhelming number of Sig P365 owners prefer it. That's probably the reason why production is finally starting to catch up with demand. You can bet your bottom dollar that S&W wishes that they had come up with a similar pistol first. I like my Sig P365 because:
1. It has been totally reliable for over 1,200 rounds.
2. It has a much greater capacity than my former EDC, Kahr CM9.
3. It is close to the same size as my Kahr CM9.
4. The trigger is (never thought I'd say this) better than that on my Kahr.
5. I shoot it better, even with the 10 round magazine, better than my Kahr CM9 or previous EDC the S&W 642.
6. I can carry it in a pocket holster, just like my previous EDC's.
7. It is easy to field strip and clean.
8. I'm favorably impressed with Sig's customer service.

Sig quickly responded to early reported problems. Most of the hating of the Sig striker fired pistols is just noise based on theory, not actual use. I still like my S&W revolvers and may be in the market for a new M&P .22 Compact, suppressor ready. I've shot S&W Shields, some with replacement triggers, as well as, Glocks, but they just aren't for me. Many people love them, so they must be great for many, many folks. Actually, I find more "insufferable" Glock owners by far.

 

[Flyingfool]

I for one would like to see the 3.6 with a ten round mag since I do not live in a free state. I hope S&W is listening.


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All that takes is a manufacturer to make a 10 round mag. Which amounts to a shorter spring with a spacer at the bottom of the mag. (If this alreasy doesn't exit, as I have never looked for it)

Sure it doesn't make the grip shorter. But would open up aot of states that limit max capacity.

I do think that S&W could fairly easily revise the 3.6 9c with a shorter 10 round mag and it would sell very well.

 

[imcrazy]

Do a little research on ballistics, specifically penetration, regarding 9mms and .45s. You might be a little surprised.

If you get down to the brass tacks and especially look at 147 grain Federal HST's to run in your 9mm's you'll be hard pressed to find relevance in the 45 acp. for carry purposes... I used to be a hardcore 45 acp fan for carry but, I don't carry a 45 anymore, I think whatever minuscule ballistic advantage a 45 might have is vastly negated by the capacity and fast follow up shots of a 9mm,

Take my 9mm 4" M2.0 compact 4" vs a 45acp 4" M1.0 Compact 45... 16 rounds in the gun vs 10 rounds in the gun in an identically sized package.. I used to run the 45 but, I'd not even consider it for a carry gun at this point...

I still have one 45 acp pistol for target shooting (m2.0 4.6") because I love the recoil impulse of the 45 and I like the nice big holes it makes in paper that are easy to see at the range but, all my carry and self defense handguns are 9mm... M2.0 4 compact, Shield 9mm & M1.0 4.25" 9mm fullsize...I would not be worried to pack the fullsize M2.0 45 because I know the 11 185 grain speer gold dots in the gun will no doubt get the job done....

 

[Flyingfool]

My daughter has turned 21 and soon she will be taking ccw training. She is also therefore in the market for a ccw weapon.

She has decided on semi-auto rather than a revolver (as mom and older sister chose revolver, 642 & LCR respectively).

She has zero problems racking my 1.0 shield, or my 3.6" 2.0 9c.

She does NOT like Glock the way it feels, nor the grip angle.

Other than these things, the field is WIDE OPEN as to what she will choose. And she will choose what SHE wants or prefers. It will be either 380 or 9mm.

I will not hesitate for her to check out the P365 along with the shield and shield EZ as well as all the other well established name brands in the same league for CCW weapons.

I think her first decision is whether or not she wants a manual safety. As some guns only have the manual safety (thinking Walther CCP) and maybe a few that only offer no manual safety.

After that it will be on how the gun feels and fits her. And then see if there is a olace to rent the few guns she has narrowed the choice down to the top three or so.

I love my 9c, except that fully loaded it is heavy but like the capacity. I love my shield for it being so much lighter, but on fast reloads, for some reason, the pad of my plam just touches the bottom of the mag and provides just enough resistance to not eject the mag reliably. I do not seem to have this issue with the 9c as the grip is just a tad longer.

When I carry my shield I carry with the 7 round mag (with pinky extension) in the gun and the 8 round mag in mag pouch. I am strongly considering getting the magguts +2 extension for the 7 round mags I have. But the extensions cost is the same cost as just buying new 8 round mags.

 

[comiskeybum]

I will say it again. XDS, OG shield, 42/43, all had recalls upon initial release. We sent in a ton on behalf of our customers. If you are basing your bashing of the 365 on adjustments and stops in production then you are simply not very educated on how this works. Keep complaining though.....or maybe not and just buy what you like. The only company that deserves consistent bashing is Taurus IMO. Their return rate far exceeds anyone, even Rock Island.

 

[KLR]

Why do some people think they need 15 dozen bullets in a sub compact carry gun? Going to war? Zombie apocalypse? End of the world as we know it?

Yes, yes. Threats never come in numbers higher than one, never move, never fire back at you, and never do so from partial or full cover/concealment. Threats always immediately cease offensive action when hit by pistol caliber cartridges.

 

[dmar]

My wife tried my 365, and now wants to swap me her Shield for the Sig. I told her "no way!" It's really a great gun... Anyone want to buy a Shield...?

 

[BE Mike]

I will say it again. XDS, OG shield, 42/43, all had recalls upon initial release. We sent in a ton on behalf of our customers. If you are basing your bashing of the 365 on adjustments and stops in production then you are simply not very educated on how this works. Keep complaining though.....or maybe not and just buy what you like. The only company that deserves consistent bashing is Taurus IMO. Their return rate far exceeds anyone, even Rock Island.

I don't have any current experience with Taurus customer service, but years ago, they often sent back the gun seemingly without fixing the problem. A lifetime guarantee is only as good as the company backing it up. That being said, my wife carries a Taurus 738 TCP in stainless. The trigger is light and smooth. It is easy to pull back the slide. With just a few hundred rounds through it, it has been 100% reliable and it is very light weight. She shoots it well. It is the only Taurus we own.

 

[LVSteve]

When it comes to carry guns, "one size doesn't fit all" applies big time. I made the mistake of buying a LC9s over a Shield because I felt the Ruger would conceal better on my svelte frame. The mistake was that I had not shot either. Yes, the slim grip of the Ruger aids concealability, but my long skinny hands do not grip it well, even with a Hogue. I thought about trading for a Shield, but then CDNN had a fire sale on the Kahr CW9. That grip fits me to a T.

I have also handled the P365 and would like to shoot one and practice drawing one before plunking done money. I had an issue with another small gun that I thought would be great for CCW only to discover my hand shape resulted in a gun that never pointed the same way twice when drawing from an IWB holster. This is an important factor I rarely see discussed.

Going back to Kahr, I read some time ago that they were going to introduce new guns with a "Mk2" trigger. Haven't seen one yet, and I do wonder if the introduction of the P365 moved the goal posts enough to give Kahr pause.

 

[Woff]

I'm frankly not a very good shot with the small 9mms( shield/g43/p365). But for some reason the g42 is very accurate, small and reliable. It will be v"ry interesting to see the specs on the g43x as it will be much easier to control but should weigh in very close to a Sig p365. Glock could have a nice family going on in g42/43x/19/34.

I hope s&w responds. There are six shields for sale in my local gun forum.

 

[comiskeybum]

To me a 43 with a longer grip isn't a good idea at all. Why increase the footprint?

365 is absolutely perfect in my view.

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[Ohsheepdog]

My daughter has turned 21 and soon she will be taking ccw training. She is also therefore in the market for a ccw weapon.

She has decided on semi-auto rather than a revolver (as mom and older sister chose revolver, 642 & LCR respectively).

She has zero problems racking my 1.0 shield, or my 3.6" 2.0 9c.

She does NOT like Glock the way it feels, nor the grip angle.

Other than these things, the field is WIDE OPEN as to what she will choose. And she will choose what SHE wants or prefers. It will be either 380 or 9mm.

I will not hesitate for her to check out the P365 along with the shield and shield EZ as well as all the other well established name brands in the same league for CCW weapons.

I think her first decision is whether or not she wants a manual safety. As some guns only have the manual safety (thinking Walther CCP) and maybe a few that only offer no manual safety.

After that it will be on how the gun feels and fits her. And then see if there is a olace to rent the few guns she has narrowed the choice down to the top three or so.

I love my 9c, except that fully loaded it is heavy but lime the capacity. I love my shield for it being so much lighter, but on fast reloads, for some reason, the pad of my plam just touches the bottom of the mag and provides juat enough resistance to not eject the mag reliably. I do not seem to have this issue with the 9c as the grip is nust a tad longer.

When I carry my shield I carry with the 7 round mag (with pinky extension) in the gun and the 8 round mag in mag pouch. I am strongly considering getting the magguts +2 extension for the 7 round mags I have. But the extensions cost is the same cost of nust buying new 8 round mags.

Flying, I'm about to go through the same process with my sister in law. She and my brother are hard core libs that live in the Chicago area, but she also has a strong desire for protection now that they have 2 young girls. (Funny how that works [emoji6])

For now, she insists on a manual safety and refuses to use my brother's P220 due to the DA trigger and 45 round. I'm going to line up several striker fired guns in 9 & 380, single and double stack, and the same models with and without manual safeties whenever possible.

I get the impression she insists on the MS because of the kids, so I hope to show her the importance of a good safe, teach her confidence so she'll be comfortable keeping a round in the chamber, etc.
To stay on topic of the thread, I doubt she'll carry until they leave Chitown, so my hope is to encourage her to be a shooter, but I'll take handgun knowledge and ownership for now. We'll hopefully move into carrying later... regardless if it's a 365 or another excellent choice!

 

[Tanners Owner]

When I first got the P365, the grip felt too small to me, front strap to back strap. I just received and mounted the Hogue Hand-All sleeve. It made a huge difference for me. It now feels better in my hand than the Shield (felt too narrow) and the G43 (also too narrow). I have large hands, so it makes a big difference. Although, I've got to say have never like any kind of rubber-type sleeve on the grip of any of my other pistols, Talon grips being the only exception.

I found the same and have Houge's beavertail grip sleeve on both my shield and G43. For me, it's improved my shooting with these 2 guns.

I shot a friend's 365. It was new and was reliable for sure. I found it narrow gripped and a bit snappier in recoil than my G43 and shield. As I have the 2, not sure I'll get a 365 anytime soon. But if I hadn't those 2 on hand, I'd certainly consider the 365.

Not sure I'd consider the G43x/G48, or whatever they are longer framed G43 is called. To me it defeats the purpose.