Armed Contractor In Your Home

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Smoke said:
And in the same post where he tell my the above description is inaccurate



At least this time you didn't say he looked retarded





As I said earlier your quote above describes kbm6893 to a "T"
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I encourage everybody to get a gun and carry it if they choose. I don't encourage them to walk around like they're Wyatt Earp. If they choose to do that and it's legal then have at it.

I do not want anybody in my house armed, unless I personally know and trust them. If they have a problem with my rules than don't come in my house. I won't lose a second sleep over it.

As for those I personally see open carrying near me (which isn't indicative of the entire country), they ALL had that "yeah, it's my right. You got a problem?" One guy even had a license plate that said OPN CRRY. And he's, I think he is a tool.

As for the people that I was proud to be a reference for, I know them personally and wouldn't hesitate to vouch for them. And if they came into my home with a gun, I am sure they would ask about carrying. And my answer would be to please leave it in the car. I don't want any guns in my house that I don't have direct control over. My kids lives are worth more than somebody's feelings.
 
American1776 said:
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My position is that unless and until a specific individual demonstrates to me that they are untrustworthy of being armed in my presence, my default position is to allow them to be armed in my presence (home, in public, etc.). The burden of proof so to speak is for me to give a compelling and specific reason for why I don't want an individual around me armed, otherwise, carry on.
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Once again as presented in the OP....... you will be assuming legal liable for that person's actions because she is your employee/agent...... are you willing to assume that liability for a total stranger? ...... for a person you met first met this morning on FB ?......who shows up armed at your door?

A compelling reason.......how about.....I don't know you lady !!!!!!!!
 
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BAM-BAM said:
Once again as presented in the OP....... you will be assuming legal liable for that person's actions because she is your employee/agent...... are youwilling to assume that liability for a total stranger? ...... for a person you met first met this morning on FB ?......who shows up armed at your door?

A compelling reason.......how about.....I don't know you lady !!!!!!!!
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'I don't know you lady' is the very same reason that one can give for not wanting to allow anyone to carry anywhere. When our default position is 'freedom unless proven unworthy of it', there are a lot of different liabilities that we must accept. It is a liability that the lady might do something stupid in your home with the gun. It is a liability that armed citizens in public might have an ND next to you and your kids at the mall. It's a liability that some over-ambitious armed citizen might fire into a crowd trying to hit the bad guy with the knife. And in each case, you or I might be the ones on the receiving end of that liability or risk.

Life is full of liabilities: in the home, out in public, everywhere.
 
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American1776 said:
Life is full of liabilities: in the home, out in public, everywhere.
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And its my job as head of the household to minimize those liabilities where I can for my loved ones (within my house)
While respecting the rights of others in a public setting,
While acknowledging that with freedom come dangers.
But guess what, in my house and on other's private property, you aren't free. Sucks from your point of view, I guess, but that's the way it is. There I have the power to limit my own and my families liability and increase their safety, so that's what I do.

If that's unacceptable, I'll be calling another service person.
 
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American1776 said:
'I don't know you lady' is the very same reason that one can give for not wanting to allow anyone to carry anywhere. When our default position is 'freedom unless proven unworthy of it', there are a lot of different liabilities that we must accept. It is a liability that the lady might do something stupid in your home with the gun. It is a liability that armed citizens in public might have an ND next to you and your kids at the mall. It's a liability that some over-ambitious armed citizen might fire into a crowd trying to hit the bad guy with the knife. And in each case, you or I might be the ones on the receiving end of that liability or risk.

Life is full of liabilities: in the home, out in public, everywhere.
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Life is full of "risks" not liabilities..........

A smart man may take risks ...... but will try to limit his liabilities.......


Very slowly....Legal ''liability" for her actions means.....

.... that you assume responsibility for and will pay for any damages, maybe lose everything you own even if you win the lawsuits; for what your new friend and agent ..(aka..." the hot chick" you just met tonight) .... that you hired as your bartender.... does with the gun you have approved of her carrying at your party.........

I know of no one with any common sense would assume that level of legal liability for a total stranger................

I'm a lawyer...... but I'm never going to be your lawyer....... without a very, very large retainer...................:D


Good night and God bless....... I'm done here
 
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As predicted...

...a train wreck...and it seems certain individuals avow THEIR rights overrule any rights of others. Wow!

Wish I had time and energy to show a matrix of those herein who support THEIR PERSONAL 'RIGHT' to carry anywhere, anyhow vis-a-vis THEIR PERSONAL DESIRE to deny others.

All said, NONE of my friends, aquaintenances, whomevers, who know/suspect I am a gun toting person have ever, ever, ever questioned my carriage within their homes or any place on their property. Similarly, I would never, ever question anyone who lawfully CCW's their carriage in my house...period.

Seems to me a double standard among some...thus the very predictable train wreck herein.

Be safe.
 
In general, would presumptivly be ok with contractors, unless some specific other reasons to distrust them. If they were nefarious, they already inherently have tool boxes and tool belts full of blunt and sharp objects. And inherently having valuable tools and materials involved with their profesion, they are wise to be armed to protect themselves.

Specifically , bartender might be a different situation.
 
kbm6893 said:
No I would not. Leave the gun in the car while you spray for insects. I don't know you I don't trust you. And frankly, I've seen way too many obviously incompetent people with guns to trust them around my family.
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What if those insects are drunk? Isn't the point more about trusting the forty inebriated friends to behave well in the presence of an openly armed woman,where comments and taunting might ensue?
 
It's funny how different gun owners can be. Some (like myself) think of them as a tool,like a hammer to a carpenter. Others think of them as accessories, and they spend great time and money changing their appearance which does nothing for their capabilities. Others go as far as making them a political statement, carrying them around waiting to be stopped so they can cause a scene to "educate", as the idiot did a week after Newtown as he strolled through a JC Penny's with an AR and a tactical holster with a 1911 stuffed into it.

Me, I just see them as vehicles to launch a bullet for either sport or defense. I did spend money rebluing a revolver last year, because that's s weapon my son will have one day and I wanted it to look nice.

So no, I would not allow somebody in my home carrying openly unless I truly knew them. And even then, I might have an issue with it. There was a thread on here a while back about leaving guns behind in the bathroom. It does happen. So do I want a gun that might become available to my children? Nope. And you know what? None of my friends who do carry would be offended by me either asking them to leave it in the car of me locking them up in my safe for the duration of their visit.

Now somebody is gonna say "how that gonna help them if theirs a sudden home invasion?" I guess life is just a risk, and we choose the lesser risks.

And where are these comments or taunts to a bartender? I've spent a lot of time in bars in my life. Pretty bartenders get flirted with. Never seen any flirtations that would result in fear that requires drawing a weapon. If you have friends who would sexually harass a woman then you need new friends.
 
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Kmb has all his friends guns locked up in the safe.
Lee is fending off the Iranian mob with a J frame.
Phil's house exploded due to the gas log not being installed properly by an armed contractor not vetted.

About cover it? :D

Let's move along to something a bit less contentious...
 
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