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I read about this yesterday in the Daytona News Journal. The problem with this is that if they do get enough signatures it can end up on the ballot and then the loons in FL can vote it in. That's how the game works down here. Then they will bundle the thing with some real tear jerker other changes they want so you vote on about three different items. If one passes they all pass. In FL you rarely get a petition vote on a single issue, they group a bunch together of totally unrelated things for one vote. Folks, it's a real mess down here.
 
Sure , keep on trying the same things, the voter demographics keep changing inbetween .
 
Has the ballot initiative ever been challenged in court? To me, this is akin to doing away with the Electoral College in the Presidential election. I've seen that Washington State has used this tactic to get a number of laws on the books, and in essence, bypassed the elected representation to do so. Do these initiatives pass by simple majority? In my mind, it should be by two-thirds of the registered voters in the state, if at all. This tactic seems to take away representative government on the state level, and in my simple thinking, should be unconstitutional.
 
Florida Constitution Amending

It takes a super majority of 60% popular vote.
The Florida Supreme Court has a say on the wording. Too many confusing paragraphs get the amendment tossed. Since Gov. DeSantis seated three new justices that may be less anti gun than the ones recently retired.
Very happy Gillum did not get the governor mansion.
 
I'm not a defeatist and I oppose restrictions on the 2nd Ammendment at every turn, but please seriously consider this.

I'm from California...5th generation. You also live in a beautiful state with winter sunshine and sparkling beaches. The dismal tide and increasing liberal sentiment is not going to stop. Look no further than our current gun laws if you need a preview of coming attractions and a play book from the other team. Then respond and plan plan accordingly....(buy what you want now, stock up on supplies and invest in secure storage solutions).

Then enjoy your life, hobbies, great weather, family and friends. If you let them into your head on a daily basis you will suffer as a result.

Good luck to you and all your fellow Floridians in protecting you birth right and God's speed.
 
I'm not a defeatist and I oppose restrictions on the 2nd Amendment at every turn......

Florida is a "right to work state." Folks are too busy struggling to pay the rent. Protests and civil disobedience get lots of news cameras but there are 10 people with signs shouting while the rest are either working 3 $8/hr jobs or sitting on mom's couch smoking a bowl and getting orangey fingers waiting on "mailbox money." We're keeping our guns. Joe
 
I've seen that Washington State has used this tactic to get a number of laws on the books, and in essence, bypassed the elected representation to do so. Do these initiatives pass by simple majority?

You may read all you need to know...and probably more than you want to know...about Washington's ballot initiative process by clicking here. If you want to read about the ballot initiative process in Florida, then click here. Prepare to be bored in less than three minutes.

This tactic seems to take away representative government on the state level, and in my simple thinking, should be unconstitutional.

Florida gun owners, and any other special interest group, have the same right to begin the ballot initiative process as the anti-gun people. My opinion is that if this were a pro-gun initiative, you wouldn't be questioning its Constitutionality.

I'm not making light of the situation in Florida, but the linked article above is nothing more than a "what if" article. BAWN is making a big to-do over the fact that they've achieved the bare minimum number of signatures which will allow the proposed initiative to go before the Florida Supreme Court for review. There's not even any guarantee the court will approve it for further action. Plus, even if approved in review, BAWN still needs well over half-a-million more signatures to get on the ballot.

Quoting from the article for those who haven't even bothered to read it (bold print is mine):

"The group still faces an uphill climb if the amendment is to make it on the ballot. It needs an additional 600,000-plus signatures to reach the required 766,200 statewide by Feb. 1, 2020. Signatures must come form 14 of 27 congressional districts. They also face a series of new hurdles for proposed constitutional amendments brought by a law (HB 5) signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis last week."

If anyone wants to read what BAWN is actually asking for with this initiative, click here to read the entire text of the thing.

Florida gun owners should also be aware that there is another anti-gun initiative that's in the signature-gathering stage and could appear on the November 3, 2020. This one is sponsored by a group calling themselves the Stop the Killing Committe. Their initiative is titled the Florida Ban on Military-Style Firearms and Disqualifications for Firearm Possession Initiative 2020. Anyone interested may read the text of that one by clicking here.

Keep in mind, the election isn't until November 3, 2020. Seventeen months from now.

So Florida gun owners have seventeen months to mount their counter offensives to these ballot initiatives. You have seventeen months to repeatedly contact your representatives in the legislature and Governor DeSantis, himself. Anti-gun groups in Florida have tried these types of initiatives over the past three years, and none of them have succeeded in getting on the ballot.

After doing a few searches, I'm not seeing anything coming from Florida gun owners except talking and ranting on gun forums and doomsday predictions on gun-related websites like The Truth About Guns.

As I said, you have seventeen months. You have the same rights and access to representatives and processes as the anti-gunners have. My opinion is it's time to stop just talking about it.
 
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As I said, you have seventeen months. You have the same rights and access to representatives and processes as the anti-gunners have. My opinion is it's time to stop just talking about it.

Sound advice...for residents of all states. Think of the anti gun crowd as the Terminator. They cannot be reasoned with, and they will never stop. It's the vast majority of the country that doesn't care one way or the other that has to be convinced. Every time I read a comment from someone smugly sitting in their so called "Free State", criticizing someone in a state they don't consider free telling them they should move, I think of this poem that I'm sure everyone has read. I replaced a few words naturally.

First they came for the Californians, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Californian.
Then they came for the New Yorkers, and I did not speak out— because I was not a New Yorker.
Then they came for Connecticut, and I did not speak out—because I was not from Connecticut.
Then they came for me, sitting in my free state—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
Based on post #12.... for those whose pen is as mighty as their Smith ..... draft a ballot initiative for Florida and other states.
If we come up with something.... it'll be put in the hands of an elected official or his bodyguards.
 
Based on post #12.... for those whose pen is as mighty as their Smith...

Since I'm the one who wrote Post #12, I have to ask: What's your point here? "Whose pen is as mighty as their Smith..."? What's that mean?

...it'll be put in the hands of an elected official or his bodyguards.

What are you trying to say? Seriously. This makes no sense to me.
 
Do we FL members here have an organized plan to respond to these proposals that I'm not aware of?
Watchdog's post #12 kinda laid everything out here. What are we going to do?
 
Do we FL members here have an organized plan to respond to these proposals that I'm not aware of?
Watchdog's post #12 kinda laid everything out here. What are we going to do?

A start might be ....to define and explain the actual definition and responsibilities outlined in the 2nd to those who never studied history.

The pen is mightier than the sword..... ain't rocket science. ;)
Sword weapon.... Smith weapon.

I usually wait until after Church to broach politics with family and friends.... the Mrs and I bake the best homemade natural yeast crispy Ciabatta bread in South Florida and that might put the elected officials in an even better mood.... or I'll get one of the kids to read/sing our message.... karaoke style.... maybe I'll play Stars and Stripes on the Piccolo to back them up.... softly of course.
Fun family and friends.

The Militia
The National Guard
The Armed Forces
Major differences and absolutely essential to our way of life.
Well Regulated people sleep peacefully at night..... or in the daytime as they may fish at night. :D
 

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Well, that's a good start. Lots of us here do stuff like that, but that message is only reaching a select few. In my experience, talking with some new folks locally (NY and CA transplants) they are so rabid anti gun that a logical fact based conversion is almost impossible.
I think this requires an "out reach" to our state Legislators. Some kind of organized approach with a plan of action.
Do we have a legitimate state wide pro gun organization that is challenging this effort? According to the NRA, FLGun Owners is not it.
 
Here's my approach locally that I have had some success with. I forget the rabid anti gunners and the gun enthusiasts. One is preaching to the choir, the other is hopeless. I concentrate on the MAJORITY that could care less one way or the other, that includes...unfortunately...many gun owners. I don't take the 2A approach, but concentrate on quality of life issues, and gun use as my form of recreation. I compare their love of golf to my love of guns and target shooting. I remind them that they chose to watch NASCAR on a weekend, I like to make noise and put little holes in things. I inform them that my hobby is not evil or dangerous, but that there are those that don't understand or appreciate my hobby, and are under the false illusion that limiting my enjoyment of my hobby will somehow make people safer. I also suggest that a kid introduced to safe and responsible gun use early on is a kid less likely to shoot up a school later on. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not happy about it, but harping on the 2A, self defense and gun rights doesn't register with a lot of people, they think it makes us look unreasonable for not accepting what someone else claims is a common sense gun law. So I concentrate on how the law will affect someone like me, and remind them that I am not a bad or dangerous person. I have had success with this approach, to include otherwise neutral parties contacting their rep., and neutral reps telling me I got them thinking more about the issue. If all of us could flip one person from neutral to our side, we doubled our ranks. Go for the clueless, that's were I get the most bang for my buck.
 
that old assault weapons ban that got repealed a few years ago was really a semi-auto ban, which also covered almost all of our semi-auto deer rifles, i'll never understand why they don't go back to public hangings,
 
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