At some point, all the guns get sold.

Anybody out there got a son or grandson that likes guns and likes to hunt? I've got a few I'
d like to pass on to someone who will appreciate them one day.

Pictures of my daughter available on request!

Woody
 
Originally posted by woodyp:
Anybody out there got a son or grandson that likes guns and likes to hunt? I've got a few I'
d like to pass on to someone who will appreciate them one day.

Pictures of my daughter available on request!

Woody

Please elaborate on your offer.

bdGreen
 
I think we have resolved this at the Thomas house.

We've been through it once already. One of the things I collected besides guns was MOPAR Muscle cars from the late 60s and the 70s. When my son was born I figured that I had it made. When he turned 14 I drove toVegas and bought a 1970 Dodge Demon with a 340 and a 4 speed that was very well optioned out.

It was missing a few things but all were available. I figured he could learn a little wrenching and help run the parts down. Your children may or may not share your interests. They may share some and not others. Turns out my son has ZERO interest in Muscle Cars, going fast or even what he drives. He's perfectly happy to drive a 3/4 Ton Dodge truck. He drove his moms truck to his prom!!!

In his mid 20s he and I sat down and I frankly asked him if he had any interest in "The Cars". The answer was an emphatic "NO".

I made a few calls and sold them all but one so I can have one to drive when I want to. It'll be sold after I die or it is outlawed.

It's pretty much the same with guns. He owns a few. He isn't a hunter and only goes to keep me happy.

Last year his mother and he asked me to PLEASE get a complete inventory of ALL my guns. Once that was done he and I worked on a list of the intangibles about each gun. MANY/MOST are just guns. Sure they are interesting but not many of them are truly valuable. Of all the S&Ws I own only a very few are pre war and the upper limit on any of them might be $5000. The rest are what I consider nice/interesting post War guns but most are worth what? 29-2s and even 4 screw pre 29s don't really translate into a bunch of money. S serial Model 57s, Model 27-2 and even pre 27s aren't all that uncommon. I've bought guns that were produced in the low thousands, 2" 63, 696-nothing etc but There really isn't anything there that a muesium is going to want.

I also collect Ruger #1s. I have more than most and less than others. a Dozen or so are "collectable/rare". If you think S&W revolvers is a narrow field, just get into Ruger #1S.

Then there are a couple dozen custom hunting knives. Most NIB made by the best makers of the last 40 years. Sell now while somebody at least recognizes the names and makers and still collects them?

After much discussion we have made a list of those that will go to friends or relatives. Family guns to my son and a few to my brothers.

At some point it'll be time to quit buying and start selling and liquidating. The wife is errified of me falling over dead and leaving her with hundreds of guns to figure out what to do and how to not get taken or etc.

If I was dirty filthy rich I'd just die. Then the lawyers could figure it out. On the other hand a vast portion of my net wealth is tied up in guns, knives and equipment. It's probably best that I divest myself of many of them and rat hole the money in a mayonaise jar.

I haven't reached the "sell" point yet, but at 60 I have reached the, I simply don't buy many any more and then they sure better be something special.

I couldn't possibly shoot them all if I tried even with a list and a schedual.

Getting old sucks.

Ross
 
I'd like to chime in as the recipient of a few family firearms. I recently received a couple revolvers and have had for a while, a side by side 10 ga. that my great grandfather owned. Everyone in my family hunts and own guns but I, being the first born grandchild, was given these guns.

These revolvers have been sitting in my grandma's closet for 30+ years. I was the only one interested in them. I guess my point is that even if your son or nephews aren't interested, maybe their kids or grandkids will be.

I posted a pic of one of these on another thread and was curious of value but not for resale, just because I didn't pay for it and really don't know it's worth. I will own this gun until I die or hand it down to my grandchild. It's priceless to me...... so much so that I'll show it again.

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Sold? I've been giving mine away. The one's I sell are at giveaway prices, too! My motto, buy high, sell low. Just like you guys with 401k's.

Except guns seem to be doing better these days than most people's investments.

OK, yes, they all get sold or otherwise disposed of. We all die. Its going to happen to everyone here, its happened to everyone who has ever lived, except a billion or so who haven't died, yet. Many here will be taking the dirt nap within 20 or so years. Few of us have wives that are really interested in our collections. If the guns aren't sold immediately, the only reason is because the wife doesn't have the will to part with her hubby's collection. Yet.

Yes, kids tend to pick your bones clean. A better approach is mine, which is just giving them guns now while you're still semi-alive.

One of my friends is selling down his collection. He got a good scare recently, and is dumping stuff. When he turned over his 4" T/L and 3rd 44 to me on Saturday, he said I just took away the heart of his 30 years of collecting. Better that I get them than someone unworthy (like Y'all.)
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We don't buy guns for the financial aspects. We buy them because we love the chase. When we die or become too disabled, the value is gone.

One of our friends husband passed away about 5 years ago. She's been holding on to the collection for several reasons. Its a tangible connection to him, she doesn't really know how to sell them, she's afraid of the tax implications, if any. You name the reasons.

I see a lot of pitfalls in the inventory lists and any outside appraisals. First, most of us can't really place a proper value on the guns. If we value them highly and someone comes along and doesn't offer that amount, the widow feels she's being cheated. Guns go up and down in value. Sometimes dramatically. Probably the best advice I can give is that along with the serial number and a good (and accurate) description of the model, is the cost paid for the firearm. Then if you want to list a more current value, go ahead and list that too, but divulge where you got the amount. Just because David Carroll got $30,000 for a similar model that was pristine, you're ratty old one might not bring quite as much!
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(thats a real example, by the way, with my old, ratty 3rd target being the one worth less.)

Here's a truth of life. If I've been storing and transporting a nasty old Colt to gunshows for the last 3 years trying to get my investment back out of it, and can't, its not worth what I'm asking. Valuing it at that amount isn't realistic. But I'd rather shoot you with it than sell it for less!
 
But I'd rather shoot you with it than sell it for less!


Where, oh where, did this thread come from ? !

I'd totally forgotten about this, and apparently it lay dormant for a year. I've read
all those additional posts since last year, and the sentiment is the same .

Except that Dick Burgs sense of humor has expanded !

Regards, Mike Priwer
 
Good thread. I had strongly considered taking a bunch of my stuff and renting a table at a local gunshow, but don't think I want the hassle. So, after reading all these posts, I think I'll just give 'em away to anyone who strikes my fancy
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Might start with xHypex! A young guy who appreciates revolvers, AND uses good grammar, and even paragraphs! Sounds like a winner.
 
I inherited a few guns from an uncle and a few from my father-in-law, and now I'm getting to the age I think about what happens to my stuff when I go. Some people get very sentimental, and others not at all. Once my mother bought a new refrigerator but couldn't bear to have the old one hauled away because it had belonged to her mother. Her mother certainly would not have wanted a broken refrigerator sitting around! It's possible to go way overboard. I try to appreciate inherited things in the spirit the original owner did. For instance all my late father-in-law's guns were plain working tools, and I don't think he would want anyone putting one in a display case, or fretting about selling or replacing it if the situation arises. One of my late uncle's guns had sentimental value to him - it was his Colt 1911A1 from WWII. It is now sentimental to me, and would probably be the last thing I would ever sell. I plan to pass it on to another family member when I think the time is right. His other guns were tools and I doubt he would care what I did with them.

When I'm gone I expect my wife to turn most of my stuff into cash, and I'll do what I can beforehand to make that easier for her. I sure hope she appreciates the cash they bring and doesn't think about the cash I spent to buy them!
 
Originally posted by Careby:
I sure hope she appreciates the cash they bring and doesn't think about the cash I spent to buy them!

Foolish boy! She could have invested that cash in shoe's and new draperies. Maybe even flowers for the front yard! Oh, they both know and remember.
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I sure hope she appreciates the cash they bring and doesn't think about the cash I spent to buy them![/QUOTE]

Foolish boy! She could have invested that cash in shoe's and new draperies. Maybe even flowers for the front yard! Oh, they both know and remember.
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Another subject which may be meat for a new thread are funeral expenses. That one came up in our 3 day bull session known as the gunshow. I've stated my wishes just to be creamated as cheaply as possible. Slightly conflicting with my instructions to my oldest to "just dispose of the body."
 
I've stated my wishes just to be creamated as cheaply as possible. Slightly conflicting with my instructions to my oldest to "just dispose of the body."

No conflict at all there, Dick. One set of instructions is simply a little more detailed than the other. There are numerous ways in which your son might carry out your wishes..up to and including putting you and your guns in a tow sack and dropping the lot in the nearest river.
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Bob
 
This is a great thread, and I'm posting partly just so that I can find it again later.

Originally posted by rburg:
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I see a lot of pitfalls in the inventory lists and any outside appraisals. First, most of us can't really place a proper value on the guns. If we value them highly and someone comes along and doesn't offer that amount, the widow feels she's being cheated. Guns go up and down in value. Sometimes dramatically. Probably the best advice I can give is that along with the serial number and a good (and accurate) description of the model, is the cost paid for the firearm. Then if you want to list a more current value, go ahead and list that too, but divulge where you got the amount.

Years ago I found a simple gun inventory booklet at a gun show and bought one. It has lines for the gun make, model, caliber, sights, stock, condition, date, price paid, where bought, unusual markings and general comments. This worked well for a few years but it only has room in it for sixty guns. Luckily I was able to find some more, and I've nearly filled the fourth one.

In the past few years I've also been keeping a parallel inventory on an Excel spreadsheet. I know some guys who can make Excel dance and sing, but I'm not that proficient and it's pretty simplistic - essentially an electronic version of the paper one. However being electronic I can always modify and add/improve features.

One of the things I have in it is a running total of what I paid for everything. I've also considered adding a column for amount paid, adjusted for inflation, and maybe current "book value."

I've used the data to create charts for total of guns over time, and dollar expenditure over time. Both of these look pretty similar as they just keep going up and up. Another chart shows amount paid for each individual gun over time and it jumps up and down a lot. Below is the chart for total quantity over time. I haven't updated it lately but the general slope should continue about the same.

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Anyway, if I kicked off tomorrow my wife could use this information as a reasonable guide as to what my stuff is worth. However I really need to go in and add the intangibles information for each gun - how I acquired it, what it meant to me, if I wanted it passed on to someone, etc. This discussion thread may provide the impetus I need to accomplish that, so thanks guys!

.... But I'd rather shoot you with it than sell it for less!

Now there's a phrase I'm going to steal!
 
I like old guns and have bought some over the years that "call out to you" when you look at them,"I have a story to tell but can't talk,just guess what life I,ve had". that kind of gun. Old military guns tend to do that alot. My grandfather and father have both past on and I have inherited their guns. If they were sold to a shop,monetary wise you wouldn't have much to go on very long. About half of them I would just get rid of if it weren't for that they were theirs at one time. When I go someday, I just hope for the best to what I left behind. It's all you can do about it.
 
I am fortunate enough to have recieved my Dad's guns when he passed 7 years ago. He had several very nice guns and a few that weren't so nice but were "family guns". The guns that he aquired after I left home didn't have much meaning to me and some of them have gone down the road. I have been asked by my younger brother to give one of Dad's guns to my brother's son. I will grant this request, even though he didn't have anything to do with his Grandfather (due to his estrangment with his father, my brother.) I have no children of my own and someday when I have "Gone to Texas", someone will go into my gun room and look at all my stuff and say: "What in the Hell was he thinking"
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And then, as this whole thread alludes to, They will be sold.
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. Atleast I hope I get to keep them until I am done with them
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I have been shooting at the Benchrest Rifle Club in St. Louis for more than 40 years. In the late 1950's, Colonel Townsend Whelen "retired" to St. Louis, to live his last years with his daughter; and he began shooting at that club. Much of the time he was confined to a wheelchair, and in the twilight of his life. He was well-liked and happy to chat with anyone/everyone.

He, and one of his "cronies" who was a wealthy local businessman, began giving away their rifles to younger shooters at the club. In some instances they would bring out a special rifle, and fire it one last time before gifting it to one of the "regulars." In other instances, it was just gifted from the car trunk. Both gentlemen wanted their rifles to be owned and used by someone that would appreciate "that special gun."

Since then, I've often thought that was the proper way to disburse one's collection....

Jerry
 
Originally posted by gold40:
Colonel Townsend Whelen

About that time, as I was becoming a teenager, there was a book I wanted desperately. I tried the public library. My mom went along on one trip and we even tried to see if another library would loan it to the public library here. Then we requested the library purchase a copy, since none of the others had it. No dice. My mom raided her grocery money after I donated all I had in my piggy bank (remember when kids saved?)

The title? "On your own in the Wilderness". Yes, I still have it. You can have it...when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. The one on the hand opposite my empty 1911.
 
It's still in my bookshelf, too, Dick. I read everything I could get my hands on that Whelen and his buddy Brad Angier wrote about the woods. What great mental trips I took with them.

I wonder if boys today have men who write like that to teach them the wonders of the woods...I'm afraid not. Perhaps we should be concerning ourselves with giving away our books as much as giving our guns.

Bob
 
I have a small library, along with my guns. The books and the guns will be given to those who appreciate such things, along with the knives and fishing gear. My daughter will get first pick on my books, as she has no interest in the other things, but would like me to give them to friends who will appreciate and use them as I have.
 
I'm certain my wife and sons have no clue at to the origin of the book. For that matter, they have no idea about the SCSW. I ordered/bought 3 copies when Jim made them available here. He signed one with a nice inscription. My wife gave it away! OK, its still in the family, but she wondered why I had the disgusted look on my face when I realized what she'd done. Hopefully, she's decided not to give away anything else in my book pile.

And for the life of me, I don't understand why she'd give away a Supica but retain the Wilson books. Ugh.
 
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