ATF attempting to come after private sellers...

[Magnum_PI]

Hey All,

It would appear from a recent press release from GOA that the ATF is attempting to turn on private sellers with implementing new rules on private sales, because apparently they've got an identity crisis and think they're Congress and can make laws, once again... no matter how many times their ideas get slapped down by the courts, etc., they just keep trying.

GOA Condemns Biden ATF’s Move to Implement Backdoor Universal Background Checks | GOA

They're trying to push for "universal background checks" by forcing (if this goes through of course) all of us to put someone through a background check in selling our firearms privately or else we may be classified as "in the business" of selling firearms and force us to get FFLs it would appear... or throw us in the gulag ala 6 am raids that are becoming popular for daring to sell our private property to another person.

Now, I know this kind of garbage has been pushed for years by the administrative state and liberals (mainly), who thinks they can just make up laws as they go to suit them, but under our current regime, it does seem to be getting perhaps worse.

If anyone has been paying attention, they've really been targeting gun stores hard and yanking licenses. Chipping away at our rights, a piece at a time.

I just simply don't trust the decision making of people who can't understand simple words of "shall not be infringed".

It is simple logic that gun laws fail at every pass. It should be common knowledge that criminals are criminals by breaking laws... this is only meant to target the gun toting and law abiding class, and nothing more.

I hope this can be shot down (no pun intended) before it even becomes an issue.

Just thought everyone would like to be informed if you haven't seen it yet.

 

[mauser9]

Good to stay informed. Trying some new garbage here in Ma. too with that Bill 4420. Trying to strip away more rights like banning semi autos.

 

[Magnum_PI]

Good to stay informed. Trying some new garbage here in Ma. too with that Bill 4420. Trying to strip away more rights like banning semi autos.

These people will stop at nothing to disarm us all... you know, for our protection... and stuff...

Kind of like the young people all buying the socialist propaganda on college campuses, and saying, well it didn't work before because everyone before 'us' didn't do it right...

 

[WCCPHD]

Reason, logic and the US Constitution are three things the anti's hate.

 

[Buick]

I'm all for common sense rule making, but as of yet, I haven't found any.

 

[Dave Baird]

To be honest, the basis of the bill, (I haven't read every sentence), I have no problem with. In my state, we go through an FFL for every handgun transaction. That being said, when I attend shows out of state and watch one guy just handing his handgun to someone he doesn't know, it's frightening. I've been in law enforcement. There's no background checks being done in that state. Maybe that is a loophole where felons are buying guns and if so, should be stopped. I sell to and from an FFL in my state, always have, keep records, and have no trouble doing so. If it helps stop bad guys from getting their hands on one, so be it. Just my opinion, of course. I'm a gunny, but a law abiding one.

Please don't call me Karen!!!

 

[otis24]

Universal background checks are simple. If someone is a felon, note such on their driver’s license or state ID. Or give private citizens access to the NICS phone number/information.

 

[otis24]

To be honest, the basis of the bill, (I haven't read every sentence), I have no problem with. In my state, we go through an FFL for every handgun transaction. That being said, when I attend shows out of state and watch one guy just handing his handgun to someone he doesn't know, it's frightening. I've been in law enforcement. There's no background checks being done in that state. Maybe that is a loophole where felons are buying guns and if so, should be stopped. I sell to and from an FFL in my state, always have, keep records, and have no trouble doing so. If it helps stop bad guys from getting their hands on one, so be it. Just my opinion, of course. I'm a gunny, but a law abiding one.

Please don't call me Karen!!!

Should we require background checks for the private sale of automobiles???

 

[Muss Muggins]

Whether or not a particular person is a “convicted felon” is a sliding scale, and not something to be permanently memorialized at any point in time. We should concentrate more on documenting the truly mentally ill . . .

Universal background checks are simple. If someone is a felon, note such on their driver’s license or state ID. Or give private citizens access to the NICS phone number/information.

 

[Protocall_Design]

The ATF has been going around KC trying to shut down all the gun shops lately. Around 50 that I've heard of so far. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a nationwide operation, but they are trying to keep it on the down low. Another illegal gun control ploy.

 

[Spurdann]

To be honest, the basis of the bill, (I haven't read every sentence), I have no problem with. In my state, we go through an FFL for every handgun transaction. That being said, when I attend shows out of state and watch one guy just handing his handgun to someone he doesn't know, it's frightening. I've been in law enforcement. There's no background checks being done in that state. Maybe that is a loophole where felons are buying guns and if so, should be stopped. I sell to and from an FFL in my state, always have, keep records, and have no trouble doing so. If it helps stop bad guys from getting their hands on one, so be it. Just my opinion, of course. I'm a gunny, but a law abiding one.

Please don't call me Karen!!!

Really, what do you not understand? Shall not be infringed.

 

[Muss Muggins]

What legal reason is ATFE using to shut down all of the gun stores in KC? Your statement is likely not based in fact . . .

The ATF has been going around KC trying to shut down all the gun shops lately. Around 50 that I've heard of so far. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a nationwide operation, but they are trying to keep it on the down low. Another illegal gun control ploy.

 

[JamesWP]

To be honest, the basis of the bill, (I haven't read every sentence), I have no problem with. In my state, we go through an FFL for every handgun transaction. That being said, when I attend shows out of state and watch one guy just handing his handgun to someone he doesn't know, it's frightening. I've been in law enforcement. There's no background checks being done in that state. Maybe that is a loophole where felons are buying guns and if so, should be stopped. I sell to and from an FFL in my state, always have, keep records, and have no trouble doing so. If it helps stop bad guys from getting their hands on one, so be it. Just my opinion, of course. I'm a gunny, but a law abiding one.

Please don't call me Karen!!!

You’re absolutely right. If every handgun purchase required a background check felons wouldn’t have them. In the same way that since drugs are illegal nobody has them or uses them. Come on, Karen…..I thought cops were smarter than that.

 

[Dave Baird]

Due to your nasty comments, I'm going to vote for it!

 

[Eddietruett]

How and who determines if the sale generates a profit?

 

[JamesWP]

Due to your nasty comments, I'm going to vote for it!

It’s not a bill, it’s a proposed rule by the ATF. But regardless, I just have very little patience for lukewarm defense of the 2nd Amendment. That is what has gotten us where we are today.

 

[Protocall_Design]

What legal reason is ATFE using to shut down all of the gun stores in KC? Your statement is likely not based in fact . . .

The one fact I know is that they had to take all guns out of the showroom and are not allowed to sell any until further notice. There may or may not be a legal reason.

 

[otis24]

Whether or not a particular person is a “convicted felon” is a sliding scale, and not something to be permanently memorized at any point in time. We should concentrate more on documenting the truly mentally ill . . .

But until that fact is recognized by the government/law enforcement, at least in regards to how it applies to firearms purchases, it is a viable solution that adds a measure of safety to private firearms sales.

The reality of the issue is this; the government is not interested in curbing crime or keeping guns “out of the wrong hands “. That’s why the majority of gun laws are tailored to affect the law abiding and make gun ownership onerous. The government does not want private citizens owning firearms. PERIOD! They just understand that to say so out loud would be political suicide. Therefore they attack the 2nd Amendment in piecemeal ways. City by city, county by county, state by state! Simple, reliable, effective measures would undermine the government’s ability to attack the 2nd Amendment. That’s why they don’t support effective measures.

 

[Racer X]

what makes this proposed rule so egregious is that they refuse to assign numbers. There is no concrete definition. Everything involves a sliding scale, considering an incalculable number of factors, all culminating with a "We'll know it when we see it" answer. Just like the frames and receivers and brace rules. They refuse to give a concrete answer.

There is no way for you or I to know if we are in compliance. They probably want it that way.

 

[Racer X]

As soon as a link is available for the public comment period, I will post it and we need to get it out there to everyone.