Atrocity Modifications

Some mods are better then others.....

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My very first pistol was a cap an ball Colt .
Shoots as fast as lightning but it loads a mite slow.
It loads a mite slow and I soon found out.
It'll git you into trouble but it can't git you out.

Steve Earle or Johnny Cash
 
I might take some flak for this but I am one of those "we should preserve these for the next generation" type of folks. It it is an argument by analogy, but I agree with the classic car comparison. Seeing an out of production classic butchered will always make me cringe.

I think future generations will be glad that there are some folks that sill care for, and maintain, things of great beauty and function. However, a man can't save them all, and you cant lose sleep over things like that.

There is an energetic debate along these lines amongst those of us who love classic British sports cars. The MGB, TR6, Austin-Healey Sprite (aka "Bugeye"), etc. have been out of production for many years, and good original examples are becoming very hard to find.

Invariably, somebody will post a photo on the web of his British car that's been subjected to a "resto-mod", with a different engine or transmission, or different seats or bodywork, installed. And then the howling begins, because you can't undo some of these changes...

For the record, I'm on the same page as you, JWintergreen... :)
 
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Here are a couple of modified revolvers I had something "to do with". The first is a Later model WEBLEY MK4 that could use smokeless powder, & had been modified to use .45 ACP rounds. The grip rails had been modified (BENT FORWARD) then built up with tape - probably to make more concealable & to minimize finger prints. The dealer I bought it from got it from a police auction. I like top break revolvers & could afford it easily. I did a a more attractive bend to the grip straps & welded them where they'd been cut - then made the walnut grips for it. It also required a slight bit of additional turning to the rear of the cylinder to close easily on the full moon .45 acp clips. IT cleaned up very nice. I eventually sold it to buy a must have item - & do kind of miss it.
Last but not least is a sweet shooting CUT DOWN H&R 22, 9 shot Revolver. It began life as a model 999 sportsman. Since I already owned a beautiful Sportsman. I decided to cut down the barrel of this one (it was very beat up when I got it). I like the results a lot, & was surprised at its accuracy. I will never sell it.
 

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Some guys have a need for a gun as an everyday tool. Others modify to their purpose. I haven't chopped on many handguns but would only do such if patient could be saved any other way. I have cut down many nice shotguns to make slug guns for customers. I don't have the heart to whack a nice original gun.
Having said that the last I herd was Bubba, the Artful Carver and the Screw Noid were last seen headed south in a green Yugo.
 
Truckman - That was once a popular modification on Browning High Powers and Colt Government models...I can't remember the last time I saw one of those......Ben

Does this kind of thing look at all familiar? This SAA has other issues besides target sights and grips. Someone stored it, for an extended period, in a suede lined holster and one can detect the pattern of the suede in the pits on part of the cylinder and left side of the barrel. It functions flawlessly and is a fine target revolver. And it's still a SAA - generally.

It's unsurprising how many of those post war sights were installed on guns, they were so excellent for the money. I've seen a lot of colts sporting them, and while I may not personally like how they look, they don't really offend me due to the undeniably functional nature.

That SAA is great, I would love to own it, shame about the finish. But hey, if that takes an amazing shooter down into a price range for the average man, that's pretty neat. Plus there are plenty of guys out there that can re-finish an SAA properly, unlike S&Ws (which hardly anyone bother's to do)

I may not like some peoples moods. Some people don't like mine. Such is life. There was another thread about a guy getting a early 06. When I was in HS you could buy all you wanted for $20 at the discount store, they had a long rack full. If guys like my step dad hadn't bout them up, milled the sights off, trimmed off the front sight, straightened the magazine frame and modified the bolt, stuck in a cock on opening firing pin and stuck them in cheap Herters walnuts stocks those Enfields and Springfields in peoples collections wouldn't be worth nearly as much. Same goes for 1911s, 1817s and a a bunch of Mausers.

It's not merely about moods.

With these guns we have a benchmark for quality. If we take a pre-war S&W for example we can expect a fine action, sharp edges, sharp markings, and quality features (despite some upgrades being possible such as larger/brighter sights and better stocks).

This means we can apply objective standards to the quality of a modification.

Guns that are modified in an interesting and functional way, but to a quality standard that is far below the original workmanship of the gun diminish it's value significantly by constricting the market.

Guns that are modified in an interesting and functional way, but to a quality standard set by the original manufacture of the weapon may diminish the value by constricting the market somewhat, but ultimately may increase the value depending on what the base gun was. And, if the modification is functional and fun enough, may actually make the gun quite a bit more valuable then the base gun (even a high quality example of the base gun).

I think your guns are really cool and I expect they would bring pretty dang good money if you sold them. But that's because you think about what you are doing and aren't just slapping something together with JB Weld, then polishing the gun with an angle grinder, and trying to cover it all up with some chrome.

It's important that we can point out to new collectors why something isn't valuable because of poor quality modifications. Shiny re-blues cover up a multitude of sins that sellers hope an unsavvy buyer won't notice.
 
Heres my Mini30 in a M1a stock, muzzle break, barrel brace, a 1970s 3x9 Redfield scope and camo paint. Took some head scratching to get the stock to fit the action.
 

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Why'd you chose an M1A stock, just couldn't find a synthetic for the 30? It looks really good.
 
Here are a few things a new collector should be aware of when buying a nickle gun. This is currently listed on GB as having a "beautiful" nickle finish. The nickled hammer & trigger and the poorly fitting side plate should be a red flag.
There was no photo of the serial on the barrel flat, so I could not show the difference there between a blue and nickle gun.
Two give-ways often overlooked are the ejector rod knob being nickled, originally they were case hardened, and the rebound slide stud being buffed flat, it should protrude slightly.
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Would I modify a registered magnum. Of course not. AT one time Brazilians and other 1917 models were very common and considered project guns. I have several of them that are well used and that is how I look at them I have a nice 1917 commercial and it will remain stock. I have a pre 28 HP that came to me Bubbaed so it is a project gun. I modified 7 of the J&G gunsmith specials that came with out barrels into 327 mags, 357s etc.

This 1917 I picked up with a total non matching zero of a barrel. It is again back in my shop with the cylinder gone because I am going to make it into a 45 colt as I have 2 of the 325 snubs in acp. I seriously thought of sticking a 45 colt cylinder in one of those and decided to leave them alone.

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Here are a few things a new collector should be aware of when buying a nickle gun. This is currently listed on GB as having a "beautiful" nickle finish. The nickled hammer & trigger and the poorly fitting side plate should be a red flag.
There was no photo of the serial on the barrel flat, so I could not show the difference there between a blue and nickle gun.
Two give-ways often overlooked are the ejector rod knob being nickled, originally they were case hardened, and the rebound slide stud being buffed flat, it should protrude slightly.
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You'd have to be Mr. Magoo to claim that's a "beautiful" finish.
 
I wouldn't do any of that to my guns but it was a popular pastime years ago when there was a plethora of very inexpensive guns on the market and people wanted something 'different'.
Look at all the Mausers and 03's that went that route. Some good, some not but they apparently pleased the owners
 
I feel your pain. This is my Colt New Army Model 1894, which was arsenal-retrofitted with a sling swivel in 1901 and refinished. I don't have any problem with that; it's part of it's history.

However, a previous owner decided to "sporterize" the front sight 🤬

I had a fairly nice three digit 1st Model H.E. .44 that had the front sight buggered like that, ruined the piece for me...ever time I looked at it. I traded it off to a forum member who was happy for my desire to trade.

 
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