B-2 Bombers to Korea

If history is an indicator...

NK makes noise... US gives them food, fuel oil and other stuff... even a light-water nuclear reactor, in return for promises that everyone knows will never be kept. :rolleyes:

If it were me... I'd send the young man a bottle of Sunscreen marked SPF 1,000,000 and some dark sunglasses with a note to knock it off or he may soon need these items.
 
We talk of Kim as a "boy leader" at 28. How old was Octavius when he became Caesar Augustus? Alexander died at 33, having conquered most of the known world in his time.
 
M29since14 said:
B2s... I don't understand why we have them in the first place. There has to be more efficient ways to deliver ordnance than those crazy things. Were they just another case of a weapon program that was obsolete by the time they got to producing them and it never got shut down, or what? :rolleyes:
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It's strategically best to have alternate means of nuclear delivery. The advantage of the B-2 is that it can be recalled. Once a land or sea-based missile is launched, the time window to admit a mistake and cancel the bomb is very small, probably only minutes in which we could issue a self-destruct signal. An enemy, knowing that B-2s are on the way, also knows that he has an opportunity to throw in the towel and back down to escape total destruction. A missile launch pretty much cancels any possibility of further negotiation. It's essentially all over once the button is pushed. It's always good to keep the options open until absolutely necessary to proceed.

John
 
PALADIN85020 said:
The boy leader knows that if he starts something, we have the capability of turning Pyongyang into a glass parking lot. He's just rattling his saber to impress his own people.

On the other hand, he's demonstrably insane. Who can predict?

John
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John-

That is what scares me. He is not only narcisstic, but quite possibly really loco. He's like a child with an inflated ego and a desire to make himself famous and powerful. If he finds a loaded gun, what might he do? He may even be a sociopath. He clearly cares nothing for his own people, and hates us.

The Iranian president may also be a few fish short of a full stringer. And Iran wants nuclear devices...
 
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Texas Star said:
We talk of Kim as a "boy leader" at 28. How old was Octavius when he became Caesar Augustus? Alexander died at 33, having conquered most of the known world in his time.
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Kim is neither Caesar Augustus nor Alexander; he has not earned his commander-in-chief status. His first mistake will also probably be his last one. His opportunity to go down in history will probably just be the opportunity to go down. Poof.

John
 
I think it's time for a teaching moment in that part of the world Hiroshima style. Let them chew on that for a half a century.
 
Comrad said:
I think it's time for a teaching moment in that part of the world Hiroshima style. Let them chew on that for a half a century.
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Exactly what I was just pondering. Japan wanted "attention" several years back, and we accomodated them. I don't take threats well.
 
It's another one of those Obummmer stunts to make the cost of ammo stay up. As long as this country feels we are going to war or are at war, then the ammo craze will continue.

If N. Korea feels froggy, then I say we let the jump. In the end, you can bet we will screw up their landing.
 
If I had to fly from MO to Korea and back sitting in one place it would take a very good team of physical therapists to even straighten me back out.
 
I think you could drop a nuke on some parts of NK without killing anyone or interrupting the transmission of electricity.
Blessings
 
The only reason we used the planes is so they could detect them. My gut says we got about three special surprises from below that would ring there bell hard. Each of the three has up to 18 hollow points if you get my thinking. Thats big clip/magazine......
 
the news said that the B-2s were on a training mission. They left the US, dropped dummy bombs, and turned around and headed back to the US soil.
The US just wants N. Korea to know that the US is strong allie to the south.
The way im looking at it is this: Theres a bunch of dogs in a pen. N. korea is the small dog in the corner ALWAYS barking at the US and S. Korea. The US sometimes growls at N. Korea to show them we are playing attention to them and today the US showed N. Korea how big their teeth are by sending the B-2s over there.
 
If we are going to rattle sabers, why do it with a stealth aircraft that you can hardly see? The B-1 is a much more impressive sight.:eek: Send a couple of those, and watch those N. Koreans get religion.:D
 
NK has hundreds (maybe thousands) of conventional artillery pieces pointed at South Korea with a more than adequate stockpile of shells capable of levelling everything within 15 to 20 miles of the border. Kimmy has a strong military that wants a chance to exercise without getting stomped flat.

Back in the 1960s, a multi-plane flight of B-52s circled the globe to a great deal of fanfare after the fact. What isn't as well know is that about 25% of the original aircraft had to abort the mission because of mechanical / electrical problems in flight.

If you go out to beat your war drum, and suddenly you find out there was a practice bomb run with planes you could not see on radar; you may beat the drum more softly. If you rule a starving nation, being bombed back to the stone age isn't much of a threat. If you as Supreme Ruler also go up in flames, that maybe a different story.

The biggest problem is America's military will when any war. The problem since 1953 is that Washington, DC doesn't let them. Unconditional surrender is such a politically incorrect term.
 
Man, it's always something. I'm reminded of a line in a Vonnegut novel, In which a character says:"That's the problem with the world today. Everyone's trying to be some kind of original ____ ant that no one's ever seen before." Oh well. Maybe like Jack the Toad has already stated, we could send Dennis Rodman back to intercede for us.:eek:
 
Keep poking the bear in the eye and see what happens. I am old enough to remember when we didn't stand for any of their foolishness. That idiot doesn't realize that we, americans, have killed more people from other countries than any other country. This guy is an idiot and I am sorry, but I think his two minutes of fame are over. Lets get to business and stop pussyfooting around. The Chinese, Russians, and several middle east countries are watching. I say take the gloves off and show him and the rest of the world what happens when you poke the eagle too hard. My two cents anyhow. Sorry for the rant. It's just that it seems like we aren't getting any respect anymore.
 
Let's see....we nuke NK and the prevailing winds take the fall-out where..Map of Japan - Japan Map - World Atlas

If it goes anywhere easterly, bye bye Japan.

It's all fine to beat on your chest about "glassing" anybody, but once the nuclear genie is let out the bottle, God only knows what will follow. KJY isn't the driving force behind this, IMHO, it's his father's cadre' of military staff that are using the new Exalted Worshipful Leader's naiveté' to further their own demented agenda.

What heck do they have to lose anyway?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFkryh6hC-k

If nukes are let fly, KYAGB.

Hobie
 
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North Korea is like the bully that lives down the street who has a self confidence and self importance issue. They want to be recognized as a world leader. They are going about it the wrong way.

IMO the only reason the B2 is stationed in one place is their mission and immense cost. Where are most of our ICBM's located? Why do we have them on subs? To protect them.

The SR-71 was another extremely expensive aircraft. And expensive to fly. Every time it flew it cost a million dollars. It was stationed several places around the world. But it didn't have nukes on board. And even then you couldn't get close to it without proper clearance.
 
Kanewpadle said:
The SR-71 was another extremely expensive aircraft. And expensive to fly. Every time it flew it cost a million dollars. It was stationed several places around the world. But it didn't have nukes on board. And even then you couldn't get close to it without proper clearance.
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The SR-71 had a very different mission, strictly surveillance, no weapons. The darn thing would have to refuel shortly after takeoff simply because it would leak so much fuel until it got up to speed and the seals expanded. That explains why it would fly from different locations regularly.
 
Jyezahn said:
The SR-71 had a very different mission, strictly surveillance, no weapons. The darn thing would have to refuel shortly after takeoff simply because it would leak so much fuel until it got up to speed and the seals expanded. That explains why it would fly from different locations regularly.
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I know. I worked on them. But my point was that since they didn't have nukes, they were in more than one place. But I'm just speculating here.

Now that I think of it, I remember working on BUFFS and there was always one on the alert pad locked and loaded.
 
Jyezahn said:
Pretty sure the Jews (and the rest of the world) would disagree with that statement.
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I really didn't phrase that too well did I? My bad. What I meant to say is that the United States has killed more people from different countries than any other nation. We have also helped more countries than any other nation as well. We have the reputation that if you mess with us, we will respond. Up until now I think we have shown great restraint. I think that the little tyrant thinks we won't do anything. I honestly get the feeling that he believes what he is saying. I think it is going to get ugly. The problem is that by the time we respond, a lot of people are going to die. I am surprised that South Korea doesn't tell its civilians to start evacuating further south. They really don't seem too worried. I don't know but I am glad I don't live over there.
 
Jyezahn said:
Because we have an agreement to help protect South Korea. Not to mention China will not allow KJU to go full bore.

Mutual Defense Treaty
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I am aware of the existence of such an agreement. It is time to null it and start over. If S.K. has anything to offer to the U.S., fine. If not, then the U.S. needs to leave. The exact same applies to every other nation in the world. If they are able to offer meaningful resources, etc. to the U.S., fine. There is reason to have trade, defense, support agreements/treaties, etc. But in this instance, SK has nothing to offer to the U.S. Why should the U.S. do a Korean War 2.0?
 
Do you folks really think that President Obama would ever use a nuclear weapon?

I don't. Can we imagine the liberal response to a nuclear weapon? And the CHILDREN.... oh, the children...
 
just another waste of manpower and supplies at taxpayer expense.

we have more than enough to clean and fix up around here instead of our endless auditions for the position of world policeman.
 
For NK missiles to hit the west coast

NK missiles would have to overfly Japan or Russia to get at our west coast or Alaska. I don't think their cruddy missiles have the range or the capability to carry a nuke warhead that the North Koreans can make. NK is just saber rattling as always. In return we rattle ours. If they do more than just rattle retribution will be swift. I'll bet China doesn't want to fight the world like they did in 1950 because now we are their best customers. I doubt Russia would support them as before and even if they did......?

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Profound thought - If NK ever strikes instead of threaten, Iran will become a hot spot, too. All in the name of dividing our forces.
 
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They would have to borrow a monkey from Iran to fly it over here...and as long as we keep Dennis Rodman on American soil, they will never attack for fear of taking out their only American friend.
 
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