Best Self Defense Ammo .22?

[corpulent]

I live in Nevada, one of the more gun friendly states, and I am still aware of the legal realities of firearm use. All it takes is an overzealous DA to attempt to negate your claim of self defense because you shot someone 25 times and reloaded or because you performed a trigger job on your weapon. Are you able to prove that it took all 25+ shots from one magazine in order to stop the threat of imminent violence? Or do you look like someone eager to kill another in a reckless manner?

Self defense experts may tell you to keep shooting, but experts on the plea of self defense may say otherwise. People merely "defending themselves" have been found liable because of trigger jobs, safety modifications, etc. I'm not saying you won't be successful in your plea, just that there are significant issues that arise from, well, shooting someone. Protect yourself and your family, absolutely, but come armed with knowledge as well as your weapon.

The message is : Get a shotgun

 

[Scuds03]

Pretty obvious you stop shooting once they drop and are no longer a threat.

I remember awhile back at Ft Jackson while training in the EST 2000 a fire team of Privates were practicing on it and a talibanman jumped out of this minivan with an ak and they lit him up..I mean he dropped instantly but all 4 of them emptied their 30rd mags into him on the floor it was rediculous...Obviously they did it to be funny but the E6 went ape **** on em and they got the **** smoked outa them and had to write essays on ROE and Geneva with just the broken off lead tips of pencils lol!

 

[thacheese]

I live in Nevada, one of the more gun friendly states, and I am still aware of the legal realities of firearm use. All it takes is an overzealous DA to attempt to negate your claim of self defense because you shot someone 25 times and reloaded or because you performed a trigger job on your weapon. Are you able to prove that it took all 25+ shots from one magazine in order to stop the threat of imminent violence? Or do you look like someone eager to kill another in a reckless manner?

Self defense experts may tell you to keep shooting, but experts on the plea of self defense may say otherwise. People merely "defending themselves" have been found liable because of trigger jobs, safety modifications, etc. I'm not saying you won't be successful in your plea, just that there are significant issues that arise from, well, shooting someone. Protect yourself and your family, absolutely, but come armed with knowledge as well as your weapon.

The message is : Get a shotgun

yeah you guys are right, i wouldn't unload the mag, just a few shots in the groin, and work my way up from there 3 shots at a time as needed. don't want to seem reckless
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Ron Swanson says it's ok to attack a criminal in the beanbag.

 

[Redbulladdikt]

i have a feeling either 1) a single dose of #6 birdshot from a 3-inch .410 shell or 2) a 165 Grain Hydra Shok centermass will probably get the job done a lot more effectively--just saying

 

[rmw15-22]

just fyi for you guys, I shot the 200 rounds of subsonic cci hp's. I had not one FTF or FTE, with pretty damn good accuracy. I do not plan to buy anymore now realizing smith says not too use them ( missed it somehow in the manual). But from what I can tell they are just fine to shoot
Ordered cci stingers and they are kick ***, way louder which is a plus for me

 

[joepa150]

22 is would not be my first choice but since it is all you have I would just get any ammo that you find really reliable. It won't make a huge difference if they are hollow point or not. I probably would want more penetration and not go with hollow point.

There was a recent report of a woman that was showering. Someone broke into her home. Somehow she was able to get to her night stand and get her 22 revolver. Intruder died.

I bet you most of the people on here including myself would not be able to take a couple shots of a 22 and continue to come at you. So don't listen to the tough guy bigger is better talk.

That being said, when you do have the money, buy a shotgun. Mossberg Maverick Model 88 usually goes for $199-$230. Mossberg 500 usually goes for around $279.

 

[Redbulladdikt]

22 is would not be my first choice but since it is all you have I would just get any ammo that you find really reliable. It won't make a huge difference if they are hollow point or not. I probably would want more penetration and not go with hollow point.

There was a recent report of a woman that was showering. Someone broke into her home. Somehow she was able to get to her night stand and get her 22 revolver. Intruder died.

I bet you most of the people on here including myself would not be able to take a couple shots of a 22 and continue to come at you. So don't listen to the tough guy bigger is better talk.

That being said, when you do have the money, buy a shotgun. Mossberg Maverick Model 88 usually goes for $199-$230. Mossberg 500 usually goes for around $279.

stories like these abound...and agreed I cannot say I would appreciate being shot by a .22--that being said I also wouldn't bet my life or my families' on it--I will stick with my 160 GR Hyrda-shok in my USP; no guesswork it WILL kill/incapacitate in one shot

 

[joepa150]

stories like these abound...and agreed I cannot say I would appreciate being shot by a .22--that being said I also wouldn't bet my life or my families' on it--I will stick with my 160 GR Hyrda-shok in my USP; no guesswork it WILL kill/incapacitate in one shot

I don't agree with this statement. "160 GR Hyrda-shok in my USP; no guesswork it WILL kill/incapacitate in one shot"

Yes you do have a higher probability of stopping an attacker vs a 22 BUT it is not guaranteed that one shot will do it. It would be foolish and could be dangerous to think this. Whether you are shooting a 40, 45, 9mm, 357mag, etc. Shot placement is key.

 

[Redbulladdikt]

I don't agree with this statement. "160 GR Hyrda-shok in my USP; no guesswork it WILL kill/incapacitate in one shot"

Yes you do have a higher probability of stopping an attacker vs a 22 BUT it is not guaranteed that one shot will do it. It would be foolish and could be dangerous to think this. Whether you are shooting a 40, 45, 9mm, 357mag, etc. Shot placement is key.

as proficient as i am nobody is perfect--but there are 12 more Hydra-shoks in the magazine...in the unlikely event i dont put the first shot in the Heart/Lung cluster i will guarantee the second one will be!

I am much more confident in what this weapon is capable of after being surprised by a very large very angry raccoon in my garage last week--seeing what that round did to him close-range i can tell ya that it gets pretty messy center-mass

And just to cover my tail i contacted the local Sherifffs office and Hydra-shok is their standard duty ammo...be difficult for an attorney to argue i was carrying anything illicit

 

[joepa150]

as proficient as i am nobody is perfect--but there are 12 more Hydra-shoks in the magazine...in the unlikely event i dont put the first shot in the Heart/Lung cluster i will guarantee the second one will be!

I am much more confident in what this weapon is capable of after being surprised by a very large very angry raccoon in my garage last week--seeing what that round did to him close-range i can tell ya that it gets pretty messy center-mass

And just to cover my tail i contacted the local Sherifffs office and Hydra-shok is their standard duty ammo...be difficult for an attorney to argue i was carrying anything illicit

Gotcha. Hydra-shoks are pretty deadly.

 

[BELT_FED]

I agree with most here, a good scatter gun with some high brass #4-#7 is probably a better choice for home defence. But like has been stated "never train to just shoot one time". I almost allways (when either plinking or practicing with bigger bores) use atleast one follow up shot if not two or three and I never try and do the same thing twice. Simply because the goal is to stop them. If you practice to pull your gun and pull the trigger twice and reholster it. What happens if you miss? Under low light and stress your a lot more likely to miss than playing in the backyard. Shoot till the threat is gone is my thoughts thow I may be wrong. But if your in my house and I'm protecting myself and my family you better believe if my 15-22 is closest and it takes 25 rounds to the face to put you down. Then ill just bave to explain it in court.. cause my family's safety comes first..

Heaven forbid they enter while I'm cleaning my 1919. I can hear the sherriff now "so exactly why did you shoot him 250 times"... this is a joke for those of you with no sense of humor..lol..

 

[etrvn1326]

Well pretty much it depends on the size of the intruder, if he is a heavyweight or a lightweight, fat, built or skinny. How deeply layered is their clothes. If all fails just shoot for the eyes. You cannot go wrong there. Also if you only have a .22lr rifle or pistol than get you a baton also for backup when you empty all your rounds on the intruder and beat him till he can no longer fight back. If you have a .22lr pistol magazine fed get a tac light with a laser to blind the **** out of them. Shoot the groin area couple times after you blind them with the light then go for the best kill spot. Either the neck, head, or eyes. Make sure you move forward also towards the intruder because the closer you get to them more of the velocity of the bullet is going to hurt them. CCI velocitor round is the best because it mushrooms like a normal hollow point does for a bigger size caliber.


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[roadkill45]

"Defensive .22LR" is an oxymoron. Sell the M&P15-22 and get something that works. Or just get something that works like an M&P9.

Headshots? You're kidding, right? The head is extremely hard to penetrate, even the Pope took a "headshot" and survived. The area around the bridge of the nose is about the only place you'll get penetration. If you can hit it. Target of last resort, but great gun store talk...

-- Chuck

RFK took a head shot and didn't survive, Reagan almost didn't make it.......just saying, if that's all you got, use it and try to put all the rounds in the same vicinity, even the shock trauma would hurt like all get out.
as an after thought, i have not found a subsonic that will not cycle my 15-22 with a can on it. they do have heavier bullet weight but are quite slower. i have had them bounce off antelope jacks at around 50 yards, but they have broken either ribs or legs and then bounced off.

 

[roadkill45]

Be vewy vewy quiet...



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[jdyer225]

Definitely CCI Stingers if you can find any. I'm pretty sure they are the most powerful 22 round available.


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[Dawson9a]

So who has the best price on these CCI Stingers and Velocitors online?

 

[chaparrito]

.22 ??
practice practice practice, assuming you can still find ammo. I still say a .22 in the eye beats a .45 in the shoulder any day.

 

[fdw]

CCI Stingers... I do have quite a few boxes of mini mags too but I like the stingers better.

 

[Vinney47]

The fastest ammo that is reliable in your 15-22, is best for defense IMO.

having that said, the .22lr - no matter how much better than other options that aren't guns - is a poor caliber choice for home or personal defense. Anyone buying just one gun with defense in mind is better off with something else, a shotgun being at the top of the list.

 

[kingfhb]

My sister and her husband in Colorado have a P22 that they carry for encounters with coyotes while walking their dog. They use CCI stingers... Though in all honesty, most rounds would do well in scaring off smaller predators or at least having them run off and die hours later from internal damage.


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