I understand that the dimensions of the follower includes a “no-bind” design.
Cutting off the “fangs” may compromise the anti-bind effect?
Can you please post a photo of a fangless follower?
Bodyguard 2.0 magazines
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I understand that the dimensions of the follower includes a “no-bind” design.
Cutting off the “fangs” may compromise the anti-bind effect?
Can you please post a photo of a fangless follower?
agksimon
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I understand that the dimensions of the follower includes a “no-bind” design.
Cutting off the “fangs” may compromise the anti-bind effect?
I clipped six of them and none are binding or hanging up.
It seems strange that your "gunsmithing" the followers has corrected the full load issue with the mags, why S&W would not have tested the mags and made some adjustments to the follower BEFORE releasing the Body Guard 2.0?
When discussing the performance of defense carry firearm, I want it to be flawless out of the box for 2,500 round. If that takes a choice between a $449 pistol or a $1,449 pistol my choice is a no-brainer.
agksimon
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Designers make mistakes and make rolling changes, like they did to the newer followers. I've seen several postings of people clipping the "fork" without problems, so I tried it on one and then the others. It doesn't do anything about the hard loading to a full mag, just about the the follower gettting caught in the magazine retainer holes.
geeollie
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When I load the magazines, I have been pushing the 3rd round down just a little rearward of where the casing and the bullet meet. This keeps the follower level. When we try to load the 3rd round by pushing down toward the rear of the casing, this tilts the follower and the little legs hang up.
Much easier with UpLula than with fingers.
Much easier with UpLula than with fingers.
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BG2.0 magazines barely hold 10 or 12 rounds. Clipping a coil off the spring doesn't solve the problem, neither does shortening the mag follower.
Letting them loaded might make them easier to load, but it doesn't really make a difference in capacity.
Yes, you'll want to clip the one 'fang' that gets fouled in the mag catch slot.
I've simply accepted the mag capacity; load 10, and charge from an open slide. The backup mag is only carried with 9, so it can be loaded against a closed slide.
Just the nature of the beast; the gun works well otherwise. Unless Smith re-engineers the mags (thinner spring stock?), it is what it is.
Moon
Letting them loaded might make them easier to load, but it doesn't really make a difference in capacity.
Yes, you'll want to clip the one 'fang' that gets fouled in the mag catch slot.
I've simply accepted the mag capacity; load 10, and charge from an open slide. The backup mag is only carried with 9, so it can be loaded against a closed slide.
Just the nature of the beast; the gun works well otherwise. Unless Smith re-engineers the mags (thinner spring stock?), it is what it is.
Moon
MagGuts emailed me back and stated...
"We do plan to look at the 2.0 in the future. I will add you to the notification list."
If more BG2 owners would send MagGuts a request they might speed up their release.
"We do plan to look at the 2.0 in the future. I will add you to the notification list."
If more BG2 owners would send MagGuts a request they might speed up their release.
If MagGuts can design 2 very simple components for a magazine and sell it for $34 why the heck can't big bad Smith & Wesson designers do the same??
It's absurd at the very least.
I don't buy into accepting mediocrity, especially from a firearm manufacturer.
agksimon
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Not enough demand to justify the extra cost? It's a competitive market out there.
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Glock let thousands of G42s out the door, with a slide stop that engaged when rounds remained in the mag. IIRC, it took two mag modifications before the problem was solved. Glock couldn't isolate the problem.
I suspect that S&W is dealing with a similar problem, however frustrating it may be for consumers.
Modern, 10 lbs of poo in a 5 lb sack magazines, require a MagLula, the BG;2.0 among them.
I'm still awaiting Smith (or maybe MagGuts) to address the difficulty of LOADING 10/12 rounds, and then locking the mag in against a closed slide. Some VietNam era guys like to download their M16 mags by one (or two) for absolute reliability. I've adopted that idea with the BG2.0; my spare mag only has 9 rounds; it locks in without drama.
Moon
I suspect that S&W is dealing with a similar problem, however frustrating it may be for consumers.
Modern, 10 lbs of poo in a 5 lb sack magazines, require a MagLula, the BG;2.0 among them.
I'm still awaiting Smith (or maybe MagGuts) to address the difficulty of LOADING 10/12 rounds, and then locking the mag in against a closed slide. Some VietNam era guys like to download their M16 mags by one (or two) for absolute reliability. I've adopted that idea with the BG2.0; my spare mag only has 9 rounds; it locks in without drama.
Moon
What??? Not enough demand for being able to load a mag with ALL of the ammo that it supposed to hold????
Except for the MagGuts +2 in my 2 Sig 12-round mags, all the other magazines I have will always get 1 round short of full.
If the 12 rd BG 2.0 mag could easily hold 12 rounds, Smith would be advertising it as holding 13 or 14 rounds. There is a marketing advantage... a big one... in having a higher capacity than the competition. I need the 12 rd mag for the larger grip size. I load it with 10 rounds.... everything works fine. Nothing about this is surprising.
I pinged MagGuts again and they just replied that they do plan to offer the conversions for the BG2 mags, but did not specify a date or when. 
Ahh, so I guess that would bring the BG2.0 12-round mag up to ..... 12 rounds?I pinged MagGuts again and they just replied that they do plan to offer the conversions for the BG2 mags, but did not specify a date or when.
If the +1 Kits work like the ones in my P365s, the 10-round would be 11 rounds the 12-round mag would hold 13, and be loadable by hand without an UPlula.Ahh, so I guess that would bring the BG2.0 12-round mag up to ..... 12 rounds?
If they offer a +2 Kit... well do the math.
With 14-rounds in the factory 12-round mag, plus one in the chamber is 15 rounds!
In a little mini-micro pocket 380, that would be like Hot Rice & Beans.. WITH Cheese!!
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I was having the same thought. Do you have any idea what technique Magguts is using to "create space" inside the magazine? I will be watching to see how this goes for you. If it actually works, I will try it too.With 14-rounds in the factory 12-round mag, plus one in the chamber is 15 rounds!
In little mini-micro pocket 380, that would be like Hot Rice & Beans.. WITH Cheese!!
On the +2 Kit MagGuts for my P365, they use a flat ribbon spring instead of round wire spring. The edges of the flat ribbon are very sharp and not real easy to install into the mag tube. Their floor plate only added less than 1/8" to the stock base plate.
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